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Grave found of man who bankrolled Confederates in American civil war
guardian.co.uk ^ | Monday 10 August 2009 10.16 BST | Maev Kennedy

Posted on 08/26/2009 8:21:14 AM PDT by Nikas777

Academic uncovers lost London resting place of Charles Kuhn Prioleau, and the forgotten story of Confederate support in Britain

Maev Kennedy

guardian.co.uk, Monday 10 August 2009 10.16 BST

The grave of a man who bankrolled the Confederate side in the American civil war, and ended up costing the British government £3.3m in compensation to the victorious north, has been tracked down in a patch of brambles in a London cemetery.

Charles Kuhn Prioleau, a cotton merchant born in Charleston, South Carolina, was based in Liverpool during the war, from 1861 to 1865. He disappeared from history in a bonfire of company records and correspondence after his firm went bankrupt, having sent supplies, funds, and blockade-busting ships to the Confederates.

But his mortal remains have now been traced to Kensal Green cemetery by a US academic who is gradually unearthing the almost forgotten story of Confederate support in England, which takes in the highest ranks of British politics and society.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: charleskuhnprioleau; confederacy; dixie; godsgravesglyphs; itwasaboutslavery; partyoftreason; proslaveryskinheads
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To: rockrr
we all note that you haven't responded to the FACT that:

1.the book says precisely what i said it does,

2. that both "Nonstick" & "Bubba, the LIAR" say that they HAVE copies,

3.that you have NOT asked them to post the TRUTH

and

4. that i do NOT have a copy & have been unable to get a copy through ILL.

as usual, you are just running your mouth & looking STUPID, PREJUDICED & IGNORANT.

free dixie,sw

61 posted on 08/29/2009 7:25:33 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: rockrr
we all note that you haven't responded to the FACT that:

1.the book says precisely what i said it does,

2. that both "Non-Sequitur" & "Bubba, the LIAR" say that they HAVE copies,

3.that you have NOT asked them to post the TRUTH

and

4. that i do NOT have a copy & have been unable to get a copy through ILL.

as usual, you are just running your mouth & looking STUPID, PREJUDICED & IGNORANT.

free dixie,sw

62 posted on 08/29/2009 7:26:09 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Star Traveler

BIG BUMP


63 posted on 08/29/2009 7:29:49 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: rockrr; All
OK. let's make a deal.

i'll try to drive to Dallas's public library, borrow their copy, make copies of the relevant pages & (the next day i have time); post them here.

when i DO, are you willing to:

a. ADMIT to everyone here that you are BOTH a BIGOT & a KNOWING LIAR,

2.resign from FR & apologize to everyone here for being a VULGAR-talking, ignorant,prejudiced, stupid, LOUT

&

3. promise that you will NEVER, for any reason whatever, return or attempt to return to this forum under ANY screen-name, EVER???

note to all: that would be worth going out of my way to do (including taking off from my regular family responsibilities for). it's a five hour trip to Dallas from here, one way.

free dixie,sw

64 posted on 08/29/2009 7:39:21 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Nikas777

I take it that you agree that new York and Virginia retain the right to leave the union when they themselves find that certain opressive conditions exist. These measures were part of thief ratifying documents, thanks to none other than Patrick Henry.


65 posted on 08/29/2009 9:08:31 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: stand watie; Non-Sequitur; Bubba Ho-Tep
Wow squattie, feel the love!

You really want me gone, don't you?!

You present an intriguing proposal, and I am inclined towards it, but it just isn't good enough.

You see squattie, you approach this from a point of personal animus and I approach if from a point of truth and honor. All I ever asked of you was to substantiate your claims. All of your demands of me have been to conform to your cockeyed way of looking at things.

In answer to your earlier rants, yes I am aware that both Non-Sequitur and Bubba Ho-Tep claim to have copies of Blackerby's book. I believe them because they both have presented scanned pages from said book. You have not. You have not presented any evidence whatsoever. Instead, you ask them to show scanned pages that they say do not exist.

What it comes down to is this: it is your claim and the onus is upon you to "put up or shut up" - provide the evidence that backs your claim or withdraw it. Over the years you have instead chosen to obfuscate, bluff & bluster in your bizarre style, and generally weasel out of standing up and being a man about it. It's no sweat to me - it just makes you look bad, not the rest of us ;'}

A central part of your liberal "shoot the messenger" attack has been to attempt to demonize your perceived enemies by race-baiting, accusations of bigotry, and any other wacko insults you can dredge up. That's OK by me since anything you claim that you cannot prove redounds against you and not the target of your insults.

So, you aren't willing to do the thing that you know in your heart that you should be doing anyway - backing your claims - unless there is some sort of outside chance that you can damage another individual in the process. Bully for you! What a man!

I do not know for a certainty whether Blackerby's book contains the statement that you claim or not but I believe Noni and Bubba and do not believe you. So it truly is a gamble for me - who to believe. If this is the only way to ascertain the truth I am willing to ante in.

Here is my counter proposal:

Provide scanned pages of Blackerby's Blacks in Blue and Gray where it states that “100,ooo- 150,ooo” (presumably that means 100,000 to 150,000) free blacks volunteered for the Confederate Army and I will:

1. Admit to being a "VULGAR-talking, ignorant,prejudiced, stupid, LOUT" since there is at least a nugget of truth there ;'} (Of course the same can be said of you squattie!) No one cares but I would be willing to apologize anyway if that makes you warm and fuzzy. I cannot admit to being a "BIGOT & a KNOWING LIAR" since I am neither.

2. Promise that I will NEVER, for any reason whatever, return or attempt to return to this forum under ANY screen-name, EVER.

Oh, and one other thing...

Since you are so insistent on making this personal and since you place so much emphasis upon my leaving, it is only equitable that you do the same. Up until now all I have wanted was for you to man up and do the right thing. Now I want you gone as well.

3. If you do not provide the above mentioned specifically stated evidence that you are already honor bound to provide you will "log off" and go away, never to return to FreeRepublic.

Easy enough, right squattie? I don't even ask for an apology from you since I realize that it would be insincere anyway.

What do you say Squattie? Deal?

Are you a man or a mouse?!
66 posted on 08/29/2009 9:19:39 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: stand watie

Where’s the book, Mortie?


67 posted on 08/29/2009 11:41:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
furthermore, MANY northerners (including a whole regiment from NJ) and "out of country nationals" came to fight for dixie freedom, as they too knew what the war was REALLY about = throwing off the yoke of the northern ELITES from the necks of the common people.

A new one! Gee, I can't remember the last time you posted an original lie on one of these threads - that 100,000 to 150,000 free black confederate nonsense is getting soooo old. But now we have an entire regiment of New Jersey soldiers fighting for the rebs. So tell us, Mort, under what designation did they fight? Where they the 1st New Jersey Confederate Volunteers? Or did they go under another name?

to paraphrase an old grad school prof of mine: NOTHING in history is simple, except to simpletons.

And I wonder what he'd think today, knowing that the biggest simpleton on FR is paraphrasing him?

whatever else we southrons are, it is NOT "revisionist".

Revisionists generally cling to a grain of truth. What you are are bullsh*t artists.

68 posted on 08/29/2009 11:47:21 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie; Nikas777
btw, you should (if you have not done so already) read

He will if you will.

Nikas777, let me introduce you to the one, the only stand watie (don't capitalize his name, it's an Indian thing we just wouldn't under stand) who his known to his many friends and admirers as the Mortimer Snerd of the Southron cause. If an actual, verifiable fact ever made it into one of his posts then it was by accident.

69 posted on 08/29/2009 11:49:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie; rockrr
i'll try to drive to Dallas's public library, borrow their copy, make copies of the relevant pages & (the next day i have time); post them here.

Central Library on the 8th Floor, History and Social Sciences section. They have one copy on the shelves. Let us know when you have it.

70 posted on 08/31/2009 4:12:13 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Triple

First I have heard such a clause - but sure If those clauses are in there then so be it. Of course the Federal govt is know for honoring treaties with sovereign nations - just ask the Indians......


71 posted on 08/31/2009 6:16:40 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777; Non-Sequitur
Nikas,

let me introduce you to Non-Sequitur, the "Dear leader" & "Minister of DAMNyankee Propaganda".

"Mr Minister" is well known on FR as being our "expert on everything" (which generally means upon nothing.) & chief of the "DAMNyankee Coven of Lunatics, fools, BIGOTS, nitwits, south-HATERS & antisemites".

he IS intelligent & reasonably well-educated, as he has an earned graduate degree (MBA) & therefore can be rightly considered (unlike most of his "followers" & "yes-men") to be completely LITERATE.

otoh,in his eyes, NOTHING ever done by any southerner, at any time since The Creation, is worthy/decent/moral/reasonably intelligent & EVERYTHING ever done in history by any DAMNyankee is never, in any way, LESS THAN PERFECT.

the main reason that he despises me is that i frequently remind him/everyone on FR of:

a. the LIES,VULGARITY,MEAN-spiritedness,BIGOTRY (and sometime overt racism), DISHONESTY & general immorality displayed by "his troops"

b. the basic FOOLISHNESS of his beliefs in the "all powerful, completely just and perfect" DAMNyankees.

free dixie,sw free dixie,sw

72 posted on 09/01/2009 2:55:13 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie

Where’s the book, Mortie?


73 posted on 09/01/2009 3:45:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
as you KNOW, i have NO way of knowing since i'm out of state & about 1200 miles from our county library.

also, when are you going to toss "rockrr, the VULGAR-talking, bigoted, LOUT" out of "the DAMNyankee coven"??? (i'd bet that you wouldn't want him around your mother/wife/sister/daughter & talking like he routinely does here on FR.)

free dixie,sw

74 posted on 09/02/2009 7:46:38 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Nikas777

ping


75 posted on 09/02/2009 8:04:16 AM PDT by beagleone
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To: stand watie
as you KNOW, i have NO way of knowing since i'm out of state & about 1200 miles from our county library.

And on another thread you had talked about heading to the Dallas library and checking to see if it was there. Well it is; Central Library, 8th Floor, History and Social Sciences Section. Go get it, Mort, and prove us all wrong. Or else go away and stop bothering people with your neverending lies.

76 posted on 09/02/2009 8:50:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
well, as you KNOW (and you are fooling NOBODY, who has ever read your PROPAGANDA) i said that i would go when i have time. Dallas & that nice library is a 5 hour drive (one way) from here & frankly making you look both DUMB & DISHONEST is not particularly high on my list right now.

you KNOW that i'm being truthful. = you may as well admit that YOU LIED about what Blackerby's book says, as most everyone KNOWS that you "lie like a rug", when it suits your radical/REVISIONIST/political agenda.

btw & speaking of LIES, where is "bubba, the LIAR"??? is he perchance on a "enforced vacation" AGAIN, courtesy of "the moderators"??? (he admitted to me that he had been BANNED FOREVER & "came back" as a different screen-name, with the same old tired/weird notions, prejudices & LIES.)

free dixie,sw

77 posted on 09/02/2009 9:08:10 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
i also note that "DUH,snake" is AWOL.= your troop strength of arrogant/dishonest/foolish/prejudiced "YES-men" is getting pretty thin, don't you think N-S???

one wonders if those two clowns have joined the ranks of the other two dozen or so DYs who have been BANNED FOREVER from FR???

free dixie,sw

78 posted on 09/02/2009 9:11:18 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith The Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie
i also note that "DUH,snake" is AWOL

Duh who?

79 posted on 09/02/2009 10:03:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
well, as you KNOW (and you are fooling NOBODY, who has ever read your PROPAGANDA) i said that i would go when i have time. Dallas & that nice library is a 5 hour drive (one way) from here & frankly making you look both DUMB & DISHONEST is not particularly high on my list right now.

The truth never is high on your list, is it?

you KNOW that i'm being truthful.

I have yet to see you truthful about anything.

= you may as well admit that YOU LIED about what Blackerby's book says, as most everyone KNOWS that you "lie like a rug", when it suits your radical/REVISIONIST/political agenda.

Name a page, name a paragraph, and I'll scan it and post it because I've got the book. As for you? You've never read it; probably have never even seen it.

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80 posted on 09/02/2009 10:07:49 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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