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To: DoorGunner
> One guy even projects the idea that LSD is harmless, unless you were flakey to begin with.

I don't think anybody said it is harmless. For example, I said (#91):

Acid is an incredibly powerful psychoactive drug. In my opinion it surpasses all other drugs in the regard that it is not for everyone, indeed most people probably should avoid it, because it will likely change their point of view about their lives, and most people can't handle questions like that.

I did say that in my opinion, acid got blamed for a huge variety of mishaps, injuries, psychoses, and deaths, which were actually the result of a person, often with existing psychological problems, ingesting not only acid but typically other stuff as well, in an unsafe environment, and doing stupid actions. In that regard, alcohol, pot, or any other psychoactive drug could do the same thing. Acid is arguably the most mind-altering of the lot, but a lot more people get their lives F-ed up due to alcohol than acid, for example.

The reason we're still here to talk about past psychedelic experiences is that we stopped (at least, in my case). Long long ago -- many decades ago.

Don't sweat the "innocent teenager" of today too much -- they've usually got more information about drugs than we did, and if something as generic as a discussion of long-past activities tips them over the line, I submit they would have found some other excuse if this one didn't exist.

156 posted on 08/21/2009 7:25:12 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
(156)I don't think anybody said it is harmless.

To the contrary, I think that you did exactly that:

(10)Seizures and being admitted to hospital in "serious condition" are not associated with use of LSD per se.
They might be associated with actions the people took while under the influence (e.g. doing stupid sh!t).

[The drug didn't do any harm, the people doing something stupid did. Translation: "I am smart, strong, and mentally together. LSD wont hurt you if you are smart, and strong and mentally together, like i am.]

"a bad reaction to beer" was the cause of a guy's broken jaw and black eye. Nope, it was the bar fight that did those injuries.

[The bar fight was a direct result of the beer inducing an altered mental state.]

(10)...still trying to make LSD out to be the bogeyman...
(17)Yeah, rumor. Nudge nudge, wink, wink

[Translation: I am hip, an insider, know all about dope. If you are like me, drugs won't hurt you.]

(28)A clinically dangerous dose of LSD is so large that your brain would have long since melted down into slag.
A reasonably fit and stable person can drop a dozen hits and come back down just fine... or an unstable person can drop half a hit and lose their sh!t entirely.
Yeah, uh-huh, it's the drug's fault. Right.
I sure wish people were raised to take personal responsibility for their actions. Blaming "the drug" is just a load of irresponsible crap.

[The drug didn't do any harm, the people doing something stupid did. Translation: "I am smart, strong, and mentally together. LSD wont hurt you if you are smart, and strong and mentally together, like i am.]

(33)Many years decades ago I was around a lot of people who dropped a lot of acid. I saw a few "bad" trips in there, though none that resulted in permanent injury or death, just a little time in the local ER, waiting to sober up.
Every single one of those "bad" trips was caused by over-reaction to external circumstances that were entirely preventable. I have never witnessed LSD itself create a bad trip, nor do I believe it does. Sick people, and bad circumstances, yes, no doubt.

[The drug didn't do any harm, the people doing something stupid did. Translation: "I am smart, strong, and mentally together. LSD wont hurt you if you are smart, and strong and mentally together, like i am.]

Personal responsibility, and responsibility for the safety of one's friends and family, can prevent bad trips.

[ A person with any sense of " responsibility for the safety of one's friends and family..." would never conceive the idea of dropping acid.]

(36)I don't suppose the cops let him keep it?
Dang, didn't think so...\

[Translation: I am hip, an insider, know all about dope. If you are like me, drugs won't hurt you.]

(42)I'm just saying that the chemical itself is NOT the cause of the problems.
Millions of people dropped acid over the years with no adverse reactions, because they did so in safe surroundings with friends who helped keep them from doing stupid things.
Blaming personal irresponsibility and stupid actions on a drug (whatever the drug) is a cop-out. If one is so weak that one can't take responsibility for oneself, and one doesn't have friends to help out, then one should not do drugs, any drugs.
Unfortunately, as you correctly point out, a lot of people do, who shouldn't.

[The drug didn't do any harm, the people doing something stupid did. Translation: "I am smart, strong, and mentally together. LSD wont hurt you if you are smart, and strong and mentally together, like i am.]

(67)Owsley was quite a critter. Still is, actually.
I was living in New Jersey during that period, so anything that made it out to the East Coast had been handled a lot. But Owsley's products were always distinguished.
I believe he established a quality standard that none since (other than the US Government USP-grade LSD-25) has approached.

[The drug didn't do any harm, the people doing something stupid did. Translation: "I am smart, strong, and mentally together. LSD wont hurt you if you are smart, and strong and mentally together, like i am.]

(91)Acid is an incredibly powerful psychoactive drug. In my opinion it surpasses all other drugs in the regard that it is not for everyone, indeed most people probably should avoid it, because it will likely change their point of view about their lives, and most people can't handle questions like that.

[The drug didn't do any harm, the people doing something stupid did. Translation: "I am smart, strong, and mentally together. LSD wont hurt you if you are smart, and strong and mentally together, like i am.]

...most people can drop acid without a bad trip.

[Long passage comparing LSD to beer or wine.]

(98)...but take my word that any that you've heard a name for from the late 60's and early 70's is in there, plus some USP lab-grade in sealed ampules (don't ask) that was the best of all.

[Translation: I am hip, an insider, know all about dope. If you are like me, drugs won't hurt you.]

(135)I guarantee you I didn't get ripped off. :)
And blotter, and White Owsley, and windowpane, and a variety of "dots", and my particular favorite, a light green tab with dark flecks called "chocolate chip mint"... but the sealed USP ampules of pure 25, that was the good shit

[Translation: I am hip, an insider, know all about dope. If you are like me, drugs won't hurt you.] [Picture of LSD vial]

[Translation: I am hip, an insider, know all about dope. If you are like me, drugs won't hurt you.]

(156)I did say that in my opinion, acid got blamed for a huge variety of mishaps, injuries, psychoses, and deaths, which were actually the result of a person, often with existing psychological problems, ingesting not only acid but typically other stuff as well, in an unsafe environment, and doing stupid actions.
...a lot more people get their lives F-ed up due to alcohol than acid, for example.
Don't sweat the "innocent teenager" of today too much -- they've usually got more information about drugs than we did, and if something as generic as a discussion of long-past activities tips them over the line, I submit they would have found some other excuse if this one didn't exist.

[The drug didn't do any harm, the people doing something stupid did. Translation: "I am smart, strong, and mentally together. LSD wont hurt you if you are smart, and strong and mentally together, like i am.]

I believe that these posts are a subconscious attempt to convince yourself that you have not been damaged by LSD. I also believe that they constitute an unintentional advertisement for LSD. Therefore I think they have no place here.

If you cannot understand this, may I humbly suggest that you ask someone who loves you enough to tell you the truth to give you their opinion.

DG

169 posted on 08/21/2009 3:03:08 PM PDT by DoorGunner ("...and so, all Israel will be saved")
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