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To: SpaceBar; Hoosier-Daddy
That is the crux of the issue, Obama’s british national father, by his own admission. BC or no BC that right there disqualifies him right out of the box.

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Both Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover had one parent who was born in another country and was a citizen of that country. there are four other Presidents with foreign parents but I chose the two 20th Century examples. Your contention is wrong.

17 posted on 08/14/2009 7:22:50 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

Do past oversights of the natural-born requirement absolve this one?


18 posted on 08/14/2009 7:36:46 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: wtc911
These examples you cite were all naturalized and therefore able to transmit citizenship, wtc911. All but one that is, Chester A. Arthur, and that has not been definitively determined. He assumed the Presidency after an assassination, which was at the hands of a deranged supporter of ... Chester A. Arthur. Strange, huh? Arthur was cagey in the extreme about the matter, and ultimately ordered his papers burned after his death.

But, the Constitution does not lapse because of one instance of that Constitution not being followed. You'd have laws revoked whenever they're broken, if you believe that.

20 posted on 08/14/2009 7:51:49 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: wtc911; All

“Both Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover had one parent who was born in another country and was a citizen of that country. there are four other Presidents with foreign parents but I chose the two 20th Century examples. Your contention is wrong.”

No it is you that is incorrect. Both Wilson and Hoover’s foreign “mothers” were granted naturalized status:

WOODROW WILSON

Born December 28, 1856 – the 28th President, born in Staunton, Virginia.

Wilson’s mother was from Carlisle, England. His father was a US citizen from Ohio. Wilson’s mother gained US citizenship when she married his father according to a congressional Act of February 1855, which stated,

“any woman who might lawfully be naturalized under existing laws, married, or shall be married to a citizen of the United States, shall be deemed and taken to be a citizen.” [Act of February 10, 1855, 10 Stat. 604, section 2]

This was called derivative citizenship. This act was enacted in 1855. Woodrow Wilson was born in December 1856. He was born in the US, both parents were US citizens – natural born citizen.

HERBERT HOOVER

Hoover was born in Iowa, 1874. He was the 31st President. His father Jesse was from Ohio, a US citizen. His mother Hulda Minthorn was from Ontario, Canada. They were married in 1870. According to the 1855 act, which was in effect until 1922, Hoover’s mother became a US citizen automatically when she married Jesse.

So, Hoover was born in the US, both parents were citizens – natural born citizen.


21 posted on 08/14/2009 8:08:02 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: wtc911; SpaceBar; Hoosier-Daddy
Both Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover had one parent who was born in another country and was a citizen of that country.

The fact that Janet E. Woodrow was born in England and Hulda Randall Minthorn Hoover was born in Canada is immaterial.

It is the father's citizenship that matters.

The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Law of Nations § 212. Citizens and natives.

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The Kenyan Constitution also declares Obama to share the citizenship of his father..... even if Zero WAS born in Hawaii

Chapter 6 - Citizenship - Section 87
Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on llth December. 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963: Provided that a person shall not become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of this subsection if neither of his parents was born in Kenya.

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall,if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), becomes a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.

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Both Zero and his father became Kenyan citizens on the same day.....December 12, 1963.

22 posted on 08/14/2009 8:12:54 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT an administrative, corporate, collective, legal, political or public entity or ~person~)
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To: wtc911

My contention is, that it is not being contested. The actual definition is both parents US citizens. Obama fails this test. Other Presidents may have the same issue, but were not contested. Is that relevant to Obama’s qualifications?


30 posted on 08/14/2009 11:22:15 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: wtc911

Hoover’s and Wilson’s mothers were foreign-born. Going back to the time of Article II’s adoption, and the meaning of natural born citizenship, as I understand it, one’s nationality was passed through the father, not the mother.


46 posted on 08/15/2009 2:52:41 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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