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Motorcyclist dies in apparent road-rage crash (Darwin Award ?)
Ventura County Star ^ | 08-10-2009 | Adam Foxman

Posted on 08/11/2009 5:27:57 PM PDT by Amerigomag

A motorcyclist was killed Monday in a collision with a motor home on Highway 101’s Conejo Grade after he slowed rapidly in front of the recreational vehicle in an apparent road-rage incident, authorities said.

The motorcyclist, a 57-year-old Ventura man, was killed about 12:22 p.m. on southbound Highway 101 near Camarillo Springs Road when he collided with a roughly 30-foot motor home driven by Michael Antoine, 68, of Thousand Oaks, said Officer Terry Uhrich of the California Highway Patrol’s Moorpark office.

The motorcyclist and Antoine were both traveling about 55 mph when the collision occurred in the right lane, authorities said. Witnesses and Antoine later told authorities that the motorcyclist had made obscene hand gestures, pulled in front of the motor home, then slowed down dramatically, Uhrich said.

Antoine did not have time to react and struck the back of the low-slung custom motorcycle, causing it to become stuck under the front of the RV, authorities said. The motorcyclist was thrown from the bike, run over by the motor home and dragged underneath for about 75 feet, Uhrich said. Unable to steer, Antoine continued about 500 feet and hit the center divider, Uhrich said.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: darwinaward; hogs; hooligan; motorbike; motorcycle; suicide
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To: Amerigomag
A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.

Guess this dude was not wise.

41 posted on 08/11/2009 7:27:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: dragnet2
Based on 42 years of MC riding experience, 32 of it in SoCal. Based on knowing the average motorhome pilot drives maybe 18k miles a year, if that. Based on only 75 feet of skid marks, and he was drug 500 ft. Based on the knowledge that to slow that quickly, he would have left skid marks from the rear wheel. Based on a motorhome in the left lane, in Cali. that's illegal. Based on the rv'er being from Oregon and knowing it's illegal and it's possibly a three point ticket and as much as a $500.00 fine. Based on a man riding a $35k plus Big Dog in the LEFT LANE going down a grade. Based on other reports, found via google, that indicate the witnesses were passengers in the RV.

More likely, the RV pulled out in front of the motorcyclist in the 2nd to left lane. The motorcyclist, po'd, gassed on it, blew past the RV, waving the one fingered salute and yelling, then when he was clear, he did slow down, probably rapidly to avoid the possible radar wielding Chippy, and the RV aided by the downhill grade, gassed on it to pizz the bike off. The combination of the bike slowing and the RV accelerating, coupled with the, most likely, poor braking of a class "C" motorhome, and we have an accident.
42 posted on 08/11/2009 7:30:45 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: FrPR
Motorists have got to be more cautious and realize the motorcycles are extremely vulnerable. Cars, truck and motorhomes are weapons in the hands of drivers that are not paying attention to motorcylists and yielding proper space to keep them safe. From now on this will be the Kashdan grade in memory of our dear friend.

No, MOTORCYCLISTS need to remember that if they drive as if the other vehicles on the road can't see them, they have a 50/50 chance of surviving! Motorcyclists need to ride as if they're in "DeathRace 2000," and the other drivers get extra points for killing the biker! I've had cars rear-end me 3 different times while I was driving my car while stopped at a stop light! Had I been on my bike, I would have been killed all 3 times. I simply don't know how to make my Toyota "more visible" to other drivers!

And in this case, from the witness accounts, it sounds like the guy on the bike tried to "freak out" the RV driver, while forgetting the very simple, but important fact, that bikes stop a whole lot quicker than just about any 4 wheel vehicle. Which is why it's so important to know what's going on behind you while you're riding a bike.

Mark

43 posted on 08/11/2009 7:35:32 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: FrPR

Uh, I was referring to this site, on this thread and the posts by members on *this* thread, right here, right now. lol...


44 posted on 08/11/2009 7:38:28 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: The SunDrop Kid

Really? Was he about 57 years old, and riding a $35k bike? Or was it one of those Daytona week warriors proving how tough they are?

I do not believe this happened the way it is being portrayed.


45 posted on 08/11/2009 7:38:56 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: papasmurf; FrPR
Sorry, folks, I ain’t buyin’ the RV guy’s story.

Based on what? Thin air?

There were witnessed that backed up the RV drivers statement.

Based on 42 years of MC riding experience

It really doesn't matter if your a astronaut, with 6 missions to the lunar surface.

Based on the article, the fact is there were *witnesses* that witnessed the biker flip off the MH, and then slow abruptly directly in front of it.

wow...

46 posted on 08/11/2009 7:43:05 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: papasmurf

Why would the witnesses on scene, lie about the events?


47 posted on 08/11/2009 7:45:07 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: HamiltonJay
Witnesses and Antoine later told authorities
48 posted on 08/11/2009 7:52:30 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: papasmurf
Based on a motorhome in the left lane, in Cali. that's illegal.

In addition to totally ignoring what the witnesses on scene stated, you seem to have reading difficulties.

From the article: The motorcyclist and Antoine were both traveling about 55 mph when the collision occurred in the right lane,

49 posted on 08/11/2009 7:53:38 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Yes, it does matter. That you say it doesn’t, means you know nothing, you only have an opinion.

Even if the witnesses were in separate vehicles, witnesses make mistakes all the time. Where were the witnesses? Behind the RV, to the side of the RV, in front of the RV, in the opposing lanes?


50 posted on 08/11/2009 7:54:45 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: dragnet2

Yes, about 55, was that at the time of impact, or was that their constant speed? Based on what? The RV’ers’ statement? Or the skid marks? I took that into account. Read what my likely scenario says.


51 posted on 08/11/2009 7:57:40 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: kcvl

“WITNESSES”

Again, reporting is what you make it. Who’s to say who those witnesses were? A passengers in the motorhome with the driver could be witnesses.

I am not saying the biker didn’t do exactly as reported, I’m just skeptical of any report on anything. I’ve seen far too many media reports, even ones based on police statements, that turned out to be absolutely and completely wrong.

Again, the shooting in Pittsburgh just last week was reported by police to be a domestic dispute originally.. at least according to the initial published reports. Only later was it stated it was a lone gunman acting against random individuals.

Healthy skepticism to initial reports in particular is just prudent advice.


52 posted on 08/11/2009 7:58:16 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: papasmurf
Yes, it does matter. That you say it doesn’t, means you know nothing, you only have an opinion.

Are you daft? It does matter what witnesses stated on scene, and it totally substantiates what the RV driver stated as reported here.

In addition, I have voiced no opinion to you, and unlike *YOU* have only made made comments *based* on statements made in the article.

53 posted on 08/11/2009 7:59:46 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: FrPR
Cars, truck and motorhomes are weapons in the hands of drivers that are not paying attention to motorcylists and yielding proper space to keep them safe.

BS. One of the first rules of riding a motorcycle is to assume you are completely invisible to cars and ride appropriately. If you are putting yourself in a position where you are relying on a cage to see you and react appropriately, you are good as dead.

54 posted on 08/11/2009 8:19:01 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: killjoy; FrPR

The poster is quoting people from a completely different forum, not this one.


55 posted on 08/11/2009 8:22:10 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: killjoy

The sad fact is, you can be the best motorcycle rider on the planet, and play like no one can see ya, and the old lady, or anyone else can still left into your direction of travel and launch you into a grave in a split second, and nothing can be done about it.


56 posted on 08/11/2009 8:26:43 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: MarkL

You are correct as to the attitude that *might* save your life while on the road. I personally ride like I am invisible, but those that CAN see me are TRYING to kill me!

That said, it is quite apparent to me that this mo-ho driver did something, or some series of things, that got the M/C rider SOOO worked up that the rules of self-preservation were tragically and momentarily forgotten.

Like none of us have ever forgotten ourselves....


57 posted on 08/11/2009 9:42:42 PM PDT by Don W (The root word of diversity is DIVIDE)
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To: dragnet2

Perhaps because the witnesses were IN THE MOTORHOME?

No, they wouldn’t have ANY kind of bias now, could they?


58 posted on 08/11/2009 9:44:46 PM PDT by Don W (The root word of diversity is DIVIDE)
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To: Don W
Perhaps because the witnesses were IN THE MOTORHOME? No, they wouldn’t have ANY kind of bias now, could they?

Gezz, more speculation, outside the article.

It may shock you, but occupants of a vehicle involved in a collision are not considered witnesses, but occupants. Clearly the article did not say "Occupants riding inside the RV, agreed with the driver".

LOL!

By your rationalization/speculation, the driver could also be considered a "witness" to the collision. But that wouldn't be accurate, as the driver is the driver, and occupants are occupants and "witnesses" are witnesses.

That's how they are listed on collision reports also.

You get D- for spin and wild speculation though.

59 posted on 08/11/2009 10:36:25 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Read the ENTIRE article, not just what you WANT to see.

SHee-it, I thought FReepers had the ability to think.


60 posted on 08/11/2009 11:24:15 PM PDT by Don W (The root word of diversity is DIVIDE)
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