Posted on 08/04/2009 11:09:28 AM PDT by MissTickly
"Dear Orly:
PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.
THIS IS A SHAM. You knew the following BEFORE you filed your recent debacle in court. I know, I wrote and told you so did another poster:
This is not a good pursuit of things as it could result in placing The President's VITAL RECORDS under court seal, keeping, We, the People, who have Oversight of the agency, who has the Oversight of the records from legally viewing them per UIPA Provisions (§92F-12) (3) (15).
This is a legal and responsible route to pursue the documents. I have done so and asked that ’significant privacy information’ per exceptions found in (§92F-13(1) be omitted from the records. As lawyer, Orly knows this is true.
The ’significant privacy information’ per Obama’s Vital Records are these: DOB & Ethnicity
Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered ’significant privacy information’ per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.
These provisions in context of Fukino’s TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public. (§92F-12) (3) (15)
UIPA STATUTE Part II: “To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.”
DEAR ALL FREEPERS:
Orly, I believe, is working for OBAMA. Please urge her to step off, she's not helping the cause for truth. I suspect it is entirely intentional, too. She's a lawyer and knows about the Hawaiian OPEN RECORDS LAW. Yet, she hasn't tried to pursue it? There are TWO provisions that call for the public disclosure--she KNOWS THIS.
Think about it--where has she found all the resources to keep pursuing this when others have not? Has she ever helped this cause so far--in terms of GETTING ANSWERS?
WELL, I HAVE. This is MY story, that happened, Monday, July, 27:
On a whim I decided to try my hand at a question for Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Department of Health that holds the President’s vital records. Believe me when i say I have not sought an answer to the ‘birther’ question in any formal way ever before this day. I emailed her and I asked her about AMENDED original birth certificates, something which by sheer existence alone, usually (not always) indicates a person was ADOPTED:
In a nutshell, this is what I asked her:
“Ms. Okubo–
Director Fukino made this statement (Oct 2008): ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures… ” Therefore, she has the statutory authority to answer this question:
“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?” Please reply with her answer.”
You see, they have the same statutory authority over an Amended Original Birth Certificate that they have over an (unamended) Original Birth Certificate. No one has to attest to an Amended Original Birth Certificate’s existence or have ‘tangible interest’ in the record. By virtue of STATUTORY AUTHORITY alone she can answer my question, AND she clearly says so.
But, to my surprise, at 11:47 p.m. on Monday, July 27, 2009 I got an electronic press release with a new statement, the first in EIGHT months with the ‘natural born citizen’ stuff people have been talking about all week:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
I had this sent directly to me by Janice Okubo, herself, in response to my emailed question. And I suspect I had it hours before the press had it. I searched Google for any reference to this statement. None. Not even FactCheck.org had it.
Of course, since they are able to drive the story through the media they needlessly added the stuff about being ‘natural born’ and ‘born in Hawaii’ to the answer to my question and to detract from the affirmative answer to my question and to fit their agenda. It was the headline on Yahoo! by the following morning.
But the answer to my carefully crafted question was there none-the-less:
“original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures...”
BECAME “original vital records [plural] maintained on file”
This was too vague for my taste, so I asked for clarity. So, I asked specifically if the Director would make a statement that she has the STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE: “As Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” But I got this in return: “The director has nothing further to add to her statements.”
I let Ms. Okubo know that I fear something is preventing Dr. Fukino from making statements she does have the authority to make. Duress? And told her I was compelled to tell someone. I did, I sent an email to two major networks.
ANYWAY: Knowing in my heart why they made that statement on Monday, I pressed on. I looked at the UIPA Open Records Act in Hawaii and found ANYONE can make a request--not just Hawaiians. So using the question I’d already asked, I filed a UIPA Information Request.
Then I thought about it some more. The way I worded it felt wrong and it seemed like an inappropriate way to use the UIP Act and I withdrew it immediately and telling them I didn’t have the stomach for it.
Then I went back and read the UIPA Guidelines thoroughly and found the provision(s) that require the RESPONSIBLE disclosure of ALL OBAMA’S VITAL RECORDS citing not one, but TWO provisions. I want you to read my formal request and the follow up statements I sent. Read them in the order I have listed them, which is backward in chronological order beginning with today’s follow up. I think they read better that way. They have 10 days to respond, and I have recourse beyond The Dept. of Health noncompliance if that’s the case. I can re-file with the Hawaii Office of Information Practices for thier ruling.
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None of this LEGITIMATE EFFORT will make a difference if Orly pursues this. She is a lawyer, she knows I have followed UIPA Guidelines per Hawaii's Open Records Law and that I have made a case for disclosure.
I feel I must expose this, and I am sorry if anyone disgrees but this has become apparent to me.
Thanks for listening with an open ear!
Why do you have to wait for "this Orly thing" to get out of court? Please inform us how what Orly is doing blocks what you're doing.
D*MN HER, she had to have known UIPA was an avenue all along.
I fail to see why you think you need to attack Orly. She's been working on this a lot longer than you have. Why do you think you need to come on FR and curse at her? You seem to have a very inflated opinion of yourself and your ideas, however from what I can gather you're not even a lawyer.
You think a self-serving post like this is going to make you FRiends?
Apparently you cannot obtain info from records involved in a court case. This case stopped the poster from getting info. It’s in the thread.
I think MissTickly is toying with us. I smell troll.
Because her actions in court are going to put his VITAL records under seal. I can’t request them, NO ONE can, if the are under seal.
Really, I have put a lot of work into this, too.
Please re-read what I posted. I’d like to remain skeptical but still work together.
I don’t think she is.
Read her other work first.
She has not and hasn’t been hiding anything and she isn’t being subversive. In fact she has taken a lot of heat and not lost her cool or lashed out. Which is more than I can say for myself!
The Day I Asked a Question and Got The MOTHER of All Answers
I think you’re right. Apparently I’ve managed to ignore this one for quite a while since I tend to settle on sources of info I trust like a handfull of FReepers.
Kind of surprised I haven’t run into this one before. She must have been posting to older pre existing threads which raises a red flag with me anyway.
Swiss?
Actually, we have no idea where you are right now, but let's set that aside for the sake of discussion.
You don't seem to to realize that some of us can't read beyond your first sentence to investigate the veracity of your other statements. Let's review; read aloud with me.
Dear Orly: PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.
Now, in reading that aloud, doesn't it seem just a little bit, oh I don't know ... paranoid schizophrenic? Yes. The answer is yes.
Think before you post. Exclude the emotion from your posts. Include facts and logical assertions. Then you'll receive the consideration you desire.
I don't want to read her Fib-eral posts,especially here. I have read plenty of her distorted Fib-eral DRIVEL at HuffPo. I suggest you do the same. As far as disqualifying her opinions,
I choose to dismiss them for the simple fact of *Guilty by Association*
Nope. Check my post 167.
No doubt this is good advice. Thank you offering it. I didn’t mean to sound overly Emotive though, I just wanted to get people’s attention. I see now my wording was VERY careless.
“Think before you post. Exclude the emotion from your posts. Include facts and logical assertions. Then you’ll receive the consideration you desire. “
Here is some information I found for what ever it’s worth. Its the Registrar’s office in Mombasa.
2. Senior Assistant Registrar General - Mombasa
P O Box 80366
Mombasa
Telephone No 041 316061/62
Information found at this link: http://ukinkenya.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-kenya/getting-married-in-kenya
This from another newbie?! See links in 167.
Please set partisan politics aside. I have no party now. I am a one woman party. I have learned alot about myself and the consideration I gave the right in the last year.
Maybe it a lesson you might be open to, too.
We BOTH think this country is headed the wrong way.
We BOTH know that Obama is hiding something.
Now, please, let’s work together?
16 days short of 9 years - you old fart. ;)
I celebrated my ONE YEAR anniversary at FR three days ago.
Jeez. You are embarrassing us as a Freeper. You sound like a DUer not her. Try debating her points if you disagree.
*gasp* I resemble that remark! ;-)
I’ve been deleting her trash. How about outing the trolls for those of us who are sickened by them?
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