Posted on 07/28/2009 1:26:01 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
I've been covering the Obama certificate issue for over a year; see my extensive coverage at that link. Since June of last year my focus has been on the lies and misleading statements surrounding this issue; my goal was to show that many of those discussing this issue weren't credible.
My wider goal with that was to get the MSM to tell something closely approximating the truth. If the MSM tried the tell the truth instead of frequently lying as they do now, many of our problems would be lessened. For instance, forcing the MSM to tell the truth would have an impact on illegal immigration as, instead of presenting one-sided reports, they actually did things like follow the money.
One of the best ways to get the MSM to tell the truth is to have an impact on their careers by showing their core audience - not just those at this site - that they're lying. Since most reporters are simply careerists, that can be very effective.
Unfortunately, in the certificate case I got very little help from others. See my recent attempts at this site here, here, and here. If I could have gotten help with those before yesterday's announcement from Hawaii, we could have struck back at Obama supporters and the MSM.
Now that's going to be much more difficult since the MSM and their allies are going to close out this issue and stop covering it (except to smear the GOP as home of the "birthers").
There is, however, one silver lining to this, if people are willing to do some work to develop it. Namely, yesterday's announcement doesn't contradict my coverage, in fact it vindicates it. The very fact that Hawaii had to issue a new statement that clarifies their earlier statement shows that those who said the earlier statement proved he was born there - like FactCheck - were lying. Starting on Novement 1, 2008, FactCheck falsely claimed that the 10/31/08 statement from Hawaii verified he was born there, when only yesterday's statement does.
In other words, for eight months they were misleading people.
It's still possible to point that out, and making that point very effectively would strike at the heart of the Beltway/MSM establishment. Obviously, some people don't want to to that, but for those who do it's something worth spending some time on.
And, it's possible to discredit those who are now pretending that yesterday's announcement merely "reiterates" what Hawaii said before, when in fact Hawaii has actually clarified their statement and added information. For an example of that, see this post from Ed Morrissey of HotAir.
For a tangible example of something you can do, write a post here or at your site explaining how Morrissey is being misleading. Or, do the same with those MSM reporters who try the same trick.
The opportunity to discredit the MSM isn't as golden as it was before, but it's still available to those willing to do a little work.
What’s real telling, is the lengths they will go (parody, ridicule, death threat, rumor, scandal...) to smear anyone in the opposition.
And how they COMPLETELY are afraid to speak out or mock the Obamessiah. Late night comics swear there is nothing funny about him and “besides, we wouldn’t want to harm his effectiveness”. Yet they continue to mock and jeer and scorn Bush and Palin.
Cart before the horse. Obama was born in the last state added, which comes with it additional questions of eligibility.
It is Obama's responsibility to show his eligilibity, not for his opponents to show he "isn't". It's hard to prove a negative.
And the Democrats (politicians, not just bloggers and journalists) DID question whether McCain was eligible.
Obama himself may have even made a comment questioning whether McCain was legally qualified.
Anyone can think the “birthers” are nuts, wrong, politically wrong, and whatever and at the same time point out that the MSM was lying about this issue.
It’s also worth noting that I was considering voting for Tony Villar several years ago until I ran across mayorno.com. There’s a lot more information available out there no and a lot more people out there on the web, but a lot of people forget that many consumers of the MSM’s products might not be fully aware of how they’re being misled.
And, once again, it’s highly unfortunate that this was moved into *chat* rather than where I put it (news).
There is absolutely no way that this argument can be won in the court of public opinion. It represents too big a failure for the “greatest nation on earth” for people to believe.
Also, we must face the fact that the enemy has successfully infiltrated not only our government at it’s highest levels, but our main stream media as well.
Proving the eligibility of the president or lack thereof is a LEGAL ISSUE!... It will have to be determined in court.
So far the best argument for Obama’s guilt is his resistance to provide evidence combined with the unwillingness of the media and the courts to address the issue squarely to ensure that the nation has not been defrauded. But that’s all it is... an argument... circumstantial evidence which SHOULD lead to an investigation. The best and latest example of that truth is the Major Cook case... which whimpered out of the news blogs within mere days.
Since when does the commander in chief cave so quickly to a lowly reserve officer by rescinding his challenged orders?
If I were commander in chief (legitimately), I would march my birth certificate right down there to the judge, get the case cleared, and THEN court-martial his butt.... or force him into early retirement. Obama’s consistent avoidance of discovery is proof in and of itself that he cannot afford discovery.
That case represents the biggest chunk taken out of Obama’s armor yet... because it also illustrates the dangers of having an illegitimate president.
The press knows this... Obama knows this... and if we don’t figure it out and exploit that weakness, this is all academic. It won’t matter who gets labeled kook or nut or birther or whatever... because much larger problems and cover ups will generate a crisis that we will never recover from... the loss of our freedom.
We need more Cooks!
Excellent points. The people you describe are the worst form of cowards in my eyes.
With birth cert. in hand that says he was indeed born in Hawaii, He is still Not a natural born citizen because his dad was NEVER a US citizen.
End of story
The press knows this... Obama knows this... and if we dont figure it out and exploit that weakness, this is all academic. It wont matter who gets labeled kook or nut or birther or whatever... because much larger problems and cover ups will generate a crisis that we will never recover from... the loss of our freedom.
You are correct.
I think one way to exploit the weakness is to have Sarah Palin visit all 50 states and present _her_ birth certificate for all to see and demonstrate what legitimate candidates' proof of being a natural born citizen looks like. I would like to see the MM ignore the crowds that turn out to see her.
“Obama was born in the last state added, which comes with it additional questions of eligibility.”
Sorry, I have no idea what that sentence means.
“It is Obama’s responsibility to show his eligibility, not for his opponents to show he “isn’t”. It’s hard to prove a negative.”
Obama has no responsibility to do anything regarding this issue. He applied to run and stated that he met the eligibility requirements. He was accepted as eligible by the people charged with the task of certification in each state. Did they do their job properly? I don’t know. None of them have complained that Obama fooled them. He has been elected president. The only way to change that is to demonstrate that he lied on those applications.
Obama committed a crime if he lied about his eligibility on his applications to each Sec of State in the country. Those who profess to hold the Constitution sacred must agree that Obama is innocent until proven guilty. Also, they must agree that he is not obligated to incriminate himself. He has not been charged with any wrongdoing, and doesn’t have to answer any questions or prove anything.
There is no need to prove a negative here. Accusers need to ascertain Obama’s citizen status. His status is a fact, not a negative. If his status cannot be ascertained by his accusers he is off the hook.
The statment by the Hawaiian official carries weight. Why, you ask? The accusers here have nothing to lose if they are wrong. That official has a lot to lose if she is lying. If she is lying there is a document proving she is lying that could be released. She has no control over the possible release. So her statement carries more weight than statements by accusers with nothing to lose and no evidence to present.
None of this makes me happy, especially the fact that I probably have 3.5 years of Obama to survive ahead of me. It’s time to resist his policies rather than chase conspiracy theories.
Bush didn’t steal the election, we did land on the Moon, Obama was born in the USA, Elvis is dead, and I don’t feel so good myself. Good night.
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