[real_patriotic_american]

EXCERPT: But then, what is it state health director Fukino claims she looked at? And why exactly were Obama's documents destroyed? What were they hiding?

How did the Obama kid and his late mother ever get his U.S. passport without an actual certified birth certificate like everyone else has to produce? So they could travel to and live in Indonesia all those years ago? What about the report that some African relative recalls Obama being born in Kenya?

[real_patriotic_american]

Per Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, one must be a natural born American citizen to serve as President. Barack Obama is NOT eligible for the Presidency because he is not a natural born citizen. The law that applied during the time of Obama’s birth (in effect from December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986) stated- “If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen (a British Colony) and his mother just 18 at Obama’s birth...” (thus, she would have had to have been 21 in order for Obama to be eligible). John A. Bingham, primary framer, 14th Amendment, states- “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” Obama himself has stated that he is the son of a Kenyan- Kenya being a foreign sovereignty. Thus, Obama is not a natural born citizen even if he were actually born in Hawaii.

[silverleaf]

http://theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm

this man’s life is a real mess

[Bon mots]

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Obama's sister was born in Indonesia and also has a COLB from Hawaii.

Did you know? Obama’s half sister, born in Indonesia, has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (COLB) just like Obama's?

Maya Soetoro was born to Indonesian businessman Lolo Soetoro and American cultural anthropologist Ann Dunham and is half-sister to the 44th President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama. While living in Indonesia, she was home schooled by her mother and then attended Jakarta International School, later returningto Hawaii where she attended the private Punahou School in Honolulu, Hawaii, graduating in 1988.

Besides being the First Sister Maya has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth - despite be born in Jakarta Indonesia. Supposedly this certificate was used by the Daily Kos to forge an Obama version. Does anyone find it odd that Maya; undisputedly born in Indonesia, would have the same type of document as Barack Obama to forge?

http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d27-Did-you-know-Obamas-half-sister-born-in-Indonesia-has-a-Hawaiian-Certification-of-Live-Birth

[PennsylvaniaMom]

Zombie birther controversy? Well, another slur to add to kook, tinfoiler, nut, (and the Coulter version) crank.

Its not going away, LA Times...because there is SOMETHING there being hidden. By too many people who can’t all keep their stories straight...(they ‘saw’ it last year; they destroyed all paper copies in 2001; what, we never destroy paper copies!). Somebody is lying. Who and why?

[sirchtruth]

In yet another quite possibly futile attempt to silence the zombie birther controversy that won't die,...

Hey, dumbass LAT supposed reporter, ask your buddy Bozo to allow people to see his BC and the issue will be deader than a door nail!

Why are you not the least bit interested in WHY Barak is keeping his own BC hidden although supposedly there is a copy online for everyone to see!?

[Eye of Unk]

Hawaii Howard meets Baghdad Bob.

This is the marching order Obama has sent out, deny facts, just make an announcement that this is the truth and we do not have to prove it.

To all those participating in this, your names are on record as collaborators, you may have possibly ended your career by allowing a higher office to dictate your actions.

Granted its difficult to find the real truth, we have new posters here every day that ask that and if it wasn’t for freepers willing to be patient and spread the facts out it would be difficult indeed to believe anything from “birthers”.

Obama failed to qualify and is misusing the office of POTUS to maintain his charade at any expense, he cares not the result as long as its disruptive to America, create racial divides and destroys capitalism.

This is socialism at work.

[DouglasKC]

There is no official statement posted on the official website of the state of Hawaii. The last statement that Fukino gave in October of 2008 IS on line. There are no details about the statement such as when it was made. There are no links to any official document. All stories on the internet are based on 1 story that “broke” late last night on 1 website by 1 reporter.

It’s a bogus story until it’s official.

[ScaniaBoy]

I am really getting tired:

From the piece in LA Times:

In yet another quite possibly futile attempt to silence the zombie birther controversy that won't die, the director of Hawaii's State Department of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, has just repeated her statement from October that she has personally and with her very own official eyes seen the "original vital records" regarding Obama's birth in Honolulu's Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital on Aug. 4, 1961.

(my underlining)

OK, the only part of that paragraph within quotes is "vital records". However, the author certainly writes like Dr Fukino had named the hospital. Just bad writing or? (And how does the author know which hospital O was born at. It appears that not even the Obama family is certain about that.)

Here is Dr Fukino's statement as quoted by USA Today:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

No, no hospital mentioned.

[Texasrocker]

Okay why doesn’t the Health Department just display the original birth certificate? They keep telling everybody that Obama was born in Hawaii so what’s the hold up on showing the birth certificate. That would put an end to all of the birther arguments. Something still doesn’t smell right.

[tumblindice]

“You miserable freepers should understand that the birth certificate previously supplied by President Obama’s supporters may have been fake, but it was completely accurate.”
Dan Rather, WWHO radio
Frostbite Falls, North Dakota

[Eagle Eye]

Are you suggesting that on the one hand they are saying that the “originals” were all destroyed but on the other hand they are saying that they recenlty examined the “originals” for authenticity?

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

And no, the Long Form isn’t the end of this, it is just the beginning.

[nathanbedford]

On October 31st 2008 Doctor Fukino issued the following press release:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. (http://24ahead.com/hawaii-department-health-103108-press-release-about-obama-bi)

At the very minimum, the competent state official in Hawaii confirms that the original birth certificate is on record as at October 31, 2008. Yet many objected that the official did not explicitly state that Obama was born in Hawaii. Now Doctor Fukino explicitly states that Obama was born in Hawaii and that fact is recorded in the "vital records":

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Now many complain that Doctor Fukino does not recite that she examined the underlying birth certificate but only some "vital records" which could mean something apart from the original long form birth certificate. Unfortunately for this quibble, Doctor Fukino explicitly refers back to her October 2008 statement. That is significant because that statement says explicitly that the original birth certificate is on record. Therefore, no reasonable reader can conclude otherwise than that the competent state official of Hawaii is affirming that the original birth certificate, which is in the file and which she has personally examined in the presence of another official, says that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Folks, let's work with the facts.

[ckilmer]

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with 10 backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate.

The library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.

Now this story is starting to change. Some liberals in an open acknowledgement of Obama's problems are starting to call for a change in the constitution.Liberal defenders of Obama in full retreat on Birth CertificateNow The LA Times Wants To Amend the Constitution Rather Than Have Obama Show His Birth Certificate. (Translation: Yeah he’s not a Natural Born Citizen — As the Constitution Requires.)

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.