[Ready4Freddy]

Not the best way to resurrect this thread, but it wouldn't be the TdF (or pro cycling) without doping accusations, what?

Landis confesses to doping, implicates Armstrong and Bruyneel

Cycling News: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-confesses-to-doping-implicates-armstrong-and-bruyneel

McCall.com: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2517293/posts

WSJ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2517209/posts

Also a good way to tine up last year's TdF Ping List, please FreepMail me if you want on/off the list.

The 2010 TdF Prologue will be in Rotterdam on July 3, 2010.

[Vision]

Landis is really a POS. The lengths he went to cover this up really burned me out on cycling.

As for Lance, I don't know what to believe but will give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Mr. Blonde]

He has been discredited and now he is trying to drag others down with him.

I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt. If Lance doped he is amazing at it. No positive tests in that long is an impressive streak nevermind what he was doing actually on the bike.

[leilani]

I read the WSJ article this morning and was gonna ping you to ping the list, because I didn't have the heart. Whether he's telling the truth about Big George & Lance (also Johann, Levi & Dave Z!) now or whether he was promising everybody he was absolutely clean back in 2006, he's proven that he's one hell of a damn good liar & he's got a great future in politics if he's looking for a second career.

Still, I keep coming back to the same, admittedly threadbare & utterly cynical rationale: even if it's true what everybody including Landis now says that everybody in pro cycling was/is doping, then the worst you can say is that an allegedly doping Lance won all those tours on a level-playing field, and he did it by riding that course smarter & better prepared than all his also-allegedly-doping competitors.

What was that ancient freeper saying invented for times just like this? Unnnnnggggghhhhh? Maybe I misspelled it, but you get the drift, so:

Uhhhnnnnngghghghghgh times eleventy!

[PeteB570]

I glanced at the team lineups for this year's TdF.

Only one American Team? Columbia?

Garmin didn't make the cut? Nor any of the others?

[green iguana]

Thanks for the ping R4F.

Today’s Austin American Statesman had an interesting comment on one of Floyd’s accusations:

“Landis said Armstrong had a positive drug test during the 2002 Tour of Switzerland, but the International Cycling Union had covered up the results after Armstrong paid to have it done. Armstrong didn’t compete in the Tour of Switzerland in 2002.”

Now maybe he got the date wrong, but... I’ll stick with the benefit of the doubt.