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To: BornToBeAmerican
What happens when the Constitution is not being followed or enforced. Do not tell me that I have to follow laws when our leaders refuse to.

To all the others who lectured me as well: it's one thing for a soldier or officer or any citizen to refuse to obey orders he believes to be illegal because the issuer is illegitimate or to launch in the courts an inquiry intended to raise the question of their legality.

It's another thing to overthrow the government by force.

One of my lecturers said that it would be right for the military (or any citizen) to arrest a president whom they know to be illegitimate.

But that's the problem, isn't it? We don't know that he is legitimate, we suspect he is not, we want the truth to come out.

No military officer could, in the present circumstances, perform a citizen's arrest because he cannot know for sure whether Barry is or is not legitimate.

I'm sorry, all you condescending experts in constitutional law, calling on the military to act this way in these circumstances would exceed their legitimate power or duty. That's the genius of Barry's stonewalling. It's hard for us to prove a negative. We can rightly suspect that his refusal to produce proof means he has none, but we cannot prove that he has none. The courts or Congress have the authority and means to compell him to prove his legitimacy. If they refuse, then constitutionally redress lies with the 2010 elections, with electing a different Congress that will pursue the issue or (unrealistic because it takes too long) changing the makeup of the courts. Realistically, the solution under our constitution is political and rests with the elected legislature.

Under these circumstances, to bluster around about the military taking things into their own hands is just as wrong as Barry's presumed illegitimacy. I'm sick and tired of foolish exaggeration. You want to save the village of the rule of law by destroying it. Count me out. And spare me the libertarian posse comitatus civics lectures.

162 posted on 07/23/2009 4:43:28 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

.....Count me out.....

You expressed well the problem. You have clearly become part of the problem. You are hidebound to rules that are killing out society and hold to those rules while you are slowly being killed

Obama took power by changing rules. He must be deposed in like manner. Once the problem is solved, perhaps there can be return to a rule of law rather than a rule of lawyers.


163 posted on 07/23/2009 4:48:42 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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To: Houghton M.
You still do not get it. If the law enforces will not protect the people then we must consider the facts.

All Government Employees are public servants. If they over step their role and chose to ignore or override the law, then the military can be used to bring the law of the land back to it's Constitutional place.

You are the only one here saying this: “Under these circumstances, to bluster around about the military taking things into their own hands is just as wrong as Barry's presumed illegitimacy.”

I would suggest you look at the big picture

200 posted on 07/23/2009 10:53:31 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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