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To: real_patriotic_american
If this is correct and Obama Sr. was already married, it would constitute bigamy. Bigamy is outlawed in Hawaii, but legal in Kenya.

Yes, but the state of Hawaii would have no way of knowing he was already married. He likely lied both to Bambi's mom as well as on his marriage license application.

Thus, chances are that Obama's mother had moved to Kenya residing there the months preceding Obama's 1961 birth.

There's absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Furthermore, the idea that a pregnant woman, with virtually no financial resources, would travel half way around the world to give birth in a third world country in 1961 is pattently absurd. Do you have any idea how difficult and expensive it would have been to get from Hawaii to Kenya in 1961? It's laughable that anyone would even considered it as a serious possibility.

Obama's own grandmother states that she was present when Obama was born in Kenya.

If you listen to the whole tape, she clearly states Obama was born in Hawaii while she was in Kenya.

Now, how could Obama be born in Kenya or Hawaii and then have his mother enrolled at the University of Washington later that same month? Unlikely movement!

It's not hard to reconstruct what happened. Bambi's mom meets dashing young African with an exotic charm for whom she falls in love. She gets pregnant some time in Nov. 1960 while a student at U of H. Marries the dude in Feb. of 1961 without doing any background research. He fails to tell her he was already married to another woman back in Kenya. Some time later she finds out he's a bigamist, or at least not the prince charming she thought he was. After Junior is born, she wants to get away from the scoundrel, so she runs away with her baby to some family friends in Mercer Island, WA, enrolling in classes at the UW in the Fall of '61.

Or you can believe a pregnant American college girl, with radical feminist views and few financial resources, flies halfway around the world, on a greuling 2-3 day journey that she can't pay for, just so she can legally marry a polygamist and join his harem, and give birth in thrid world conditions to boot.

No sane person should have much trouble deciding which is more plausible.

Is there any witnesses to Stanley Ann Dunham's location and movement in 1961 up through Obama's birth.

Probably.

Any medical clinic visits in the U.S. during her pregnancy?

Medical clinics don't typically keep records for 40 years. Furthermore, clinics in big cities like Honolulu tend to be pretty impersonal, so it's very unlikely the staff there would remember someone after 40 years. I have no idea who the doctor who delivered me was, and I seriously doubt any doctors who saw my mother while she was pregnant would remember her or me after all these years.

I have not heard of any which is a good indication that she was in Kenya.

Because she wasn't there.

Claims indicate that Obama was adopted and became Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.

There is no evidence he was adopted, nor is there evidence he ever officially changed his name in the US. And no, the Indonesian private school registration form is not evidence of either.

He would then have lost natural born citizenship if he even ever had it.

No he would not have, even if he were adopted by an Indonesian.

He attended Occidental College as Barry Soetoro. Occidental College informed Newsweek that Obama enrolled as a foreign student (info at FreeRepublic).

There is no evidence of either claim.

By simply releasing his original long form birth certificate, Obama could prove whether he is a natural born citizen or not.

A short-form COLB is sufficient to prove his natural born status, and is accepted by the US state department as such.

By spending an enormous amount in legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden,

I have yet to see a single piece of evidence that he's spent a dime. And no, the fact that some high-power attorneies filed briefs on his behalf does not constitute such evidence. Those who assert it is don't seem to understand the concepts of "retainer" and "pro-bono."

69 posted on 07/21/2009 4:24:11 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
You make lots of assertions but have not one link to verify. How about giving us the one for this laughable assertion: "If you listen to the whole tape, she (the Kenyan grandmother) clearly states Obama was born in Hawaii while she was in Kenya."

I notice several of you obamanoids are feverishly working FR lately. Axelrod give you walkin' orders to deflect the rising tide demanding the affirmative action figure fraud-in-chief provide proof of Constitutional eligibility that is unimpeachable?

83 posted on 07/21/2009 4:32:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: curiosity

One of the things that has kept me out of the birther camp is that it does seem highly unlikely that Ann would travel to Keny during her pregnancy only to return shortly after 0bama’s birth.


115 posted on 07/21/2009 4:53:54 PM PDT by Lou Budvis (Stupid mom-jeans wearing, dictator-appeasing, pitch-bouncing marxist.)
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To: curiosity

So they LIED on the school form? Is that your position?

Btw, why can’t he remember a simple detail like where he met his wife.


124 posted on 07/21/2009 4:59:34 PM PDT by RummyChick
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