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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
You're just fantasizing here, and your fantasies bear little relation to the known facts.

Perhaps, but it is no less fantasy than the absurd notion that she flew to Kenya to give birth.

At any rate, you asked for a plausible story that fits the facts, and that's what I gave you. I obviously don't know the exact reason why she took her son to Seattle after he was born. No one but her knows that.

Where do you pull this "fact" that her parents disapproved of her marriage?

It's been reported that her parents were, at the very least, not positive about the marriage. For example, here:

"About that same time, another letter crossed the Pacific, this one heading to Africa. It was from Barack Obama Sr. to his mother, Sarah Hussein Onyango Obama. Though the letter didn't go into great detail, it said he had met a young woman named Ann (not Stanley). There wasn't much on how they met or what the attraction was, but he announced their plans to wed. The Dunhams weren't happy."

From here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-0703270151mar27-archive,0,5853572,full.story

Her parents were far left-wingers, there is no evidence they disapproved of mixed-race relationships.

No, but they probably didn't like it that their 18 year old daughter married a man she had just barely met. You don't have to be a conservative to realize that it might be a bad idea.

And if she and her parents had ruptured their relationship over her mixed marriage, where did she get the money to live in Seattle? Your theories are nonsense.

It would have been a lot easier for her to come up with the money for a plane ticket to Seattle than to Kenya.

As to how she could afford live in Seattle, ever heard of a part time job? Reports indicate she was attending evening classes at the UW.

Her friend's comment does not support the idea that Obama Sr. would change his mind about going back to Africa to marry a black woman - exactly the OPPOSITE - it supports the idea that Ann had no problem with Obama Sr. marrying a black wife, which actually is consistent with a radical leftist open sex mindset.

About the only thing her friend's comments suggest is that Ann was a very confused and naive girl who didn't know what she was doing.

You seem to know very little about the facts and then offer absurd speculations based on nothing but your own imagination.

That's a really good description of the birther fantasy of a Kenyan birth.

181 posted on 07/21/2009 5:52:05 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Your speculations are not plausible given the facts, plausible being the key word.

There wasn't much on how they met or what the attraction was, but he announced their plans to wed.

The Dunhams weren't happy. Stanley Ann's prospective father-in-law was furious. He wrote the Dunhams "this long, nasty letter saying that he didn't approve of the marriage," Obama recounted his mother telling him in "Dreams." "He didn't want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman."

The reporter provides no support for the statement that "the Dunhams weren't happy." There IS support for the disapproval by Obama Sr.'s father, as I mentioned. Perhaps the reporter meant the Dunhams weren't happy to receive such an insulting letter. Maybe the reporter simply assumed that because the Dunhams were white and this was 1961, they weren't happy. But he doesn't provide any support for this statement. And maybe they weren't in fact happy, but we don't know that.

Remember, Ann was their only child and Barry was their only grandchild. The idea that Ann and her parents broke off their relationship over the marriage is not supported by any evidence. To the contrary, I think it very likely that her parents were in fact paying her bills in Seattle, since she had no other apparent source of support.

I have not contended that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya. Reasonable speculation would suggest he was born in Hawaii, given the facts that his parents were UH students in 1960-1961, that her parents lived in Honolulu and I believe the newspaper birth announcements are genuine. The birth announcements gave the address of a UH professor in the Hawaii Kai area, which I think is probably where Obama, Sr. was living during the summer before classes started back up. I have serious doubts as to whether Obama Sr. and Ann ever set up house together; perhaps they did for a brief period immediately after the marriage.

However, the notion that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii is only speculation, however reasonable, because he refuses to provide the evidence in any legal proceeding. There are less likely possibilities that we cannot exclude, such as being born in Washington or over the border in Canada or at sea. Or even Kenya, as unlikely as that appears to me. We know the existence of a Hawaiian birth certificate does not preclude the possibility of birth elsewhere, at least without examining the information on the face of the long-form birth certificate, given the peculiarities of Hawaii law and procedures of birth certificates at that time. And we have the strange appearance of Ann and the newborn infant Barry showing up in Seattle apparently in late August 1961 or thereabouts.

Nevertheless, even though the facts suggest it is likely he was born in Hawaii, I find it offensive that a candidate for the highest office in our republic feels that he does not have to provide any evidence of his constitutional eligibility beyond his own signature on a piece of paper. Posting an image of a claimed document on a friendly website is not sufficient.

We deserve more from our highest public servant. When John McCain was challenged in a legal proceeding on a similar issue, he simply submitted his birth certificate as evidence into court. That is the type of openness we expect from someone who wants to be the most powerful person in our land.

As I said, an objective assessment of the facts suggests he was likely born in Hawaii. But the fact that he is defending so many lawsuits in so many different jurisdictions asserting various legal theories using procedural defenses is itself a fact that should be taken into account, and that tends to make the less likely theories of his birth more likely.

And I can tell you, anyone who thinks defending all these suits against Obama and the DNC, even on procedural grounds, in these different jurisdictions is not expensive is not a lawyer and is not familiar with law firms or civil litigation. I have little doubt that there is plenty of money in the compliance fund portion of Obama's election fund to cover these costs, but that still removes resources the Rats could use down the road toward other campaigns or toward his own reelection campaign.

248 posted on 07/21/2009 6:31:45 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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