There wasn't much on how they met or what the attraction was, but he announced their plans to wed.
The Dunhams weren't happy. Stanley Ann's prospective father-in-law was furious. He wrote the Dunhams "this long, nasty letter saying that he didn't approve of the marriage," Obama recounted his mother telling him in "Dreams." "He didn't want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman."
The reporter provides no support for the statement that "the Dunhams weren't happy." There IS support for the disapproval by Obama Sr.'s father, as I mentioned. Perhaps the reporter meant the Dunhams weren't happy to receive such an insulting letter. Maybe the reporter simply assumed that because the Dunhams were white and this was 1961, they weren't happy. But he doesn't provide any support for this statement. And maybe they weren't in fact happy, but we don't know that.
Remember, Ann was their only child and Barry was their only grandchild. The idea that Ann and her parents broke off their relationship over the marriage is not supported by any evidence. To the contrary, I think it very likely that her parents were in fact paying her bills in Seattle, since she had no other apparent source of support.
I have not contended that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya. Reasonable speculation would suggest he was born in Hawaii, given the facts that his parents were UH students in 1960-1961, that her parents lived in Honolulu and I believe the newspaper birth announcements are genuine. The birth announcements gave the address of a UH professor in the Hawaii Kai area, which I think is probably where Obama, Sr. was living during the summer before classes started back up. I have serious doubts as to whether Obama Sr. and Ann ever set up house together; perhaps they did for a brief period immediately after the marriage.
However, the notion that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii is only speculation, however reasonable, because he refuses to provide the evidence in any legal proceeding. There are less likely possibilities that we cannot exclude, such as being born in Washington or over the border in Canada or at sea. Or even Kenya, as unlikely as that appears to me. We know the existence of a Hawaiian birth certificate does not preclude the possibility of birth elsewhere, at least without examining the information on the face of the long-form birth certificate, given the peculiarities of Hawaii law and procedures of birth certificates at that time. And we have the strange appearance of Ann and the newborn infant Barry showing up in Seattle apparently in late August 1961 or thereabouts.
Nevertheless, even though the facts suggest it is likely he was born in Hawaii, I find it offensive that a candidate for the highest office in our republic feels that he does not have to provide any evidence of his constitutional eligibility beyond his own signature on a piece of paper. Posting an image of a claimed document on a friendly website is not sufficient.
We deserve more from our highest public servant. When John McCain was challenged in a legal proceeding on a similar issue, he simply submitted his birth certificate as evidence into court. That is the type of openness we expect from someone who wants to be the most powerful person in our land.
As I said, an objective assessment of the facts suggests he was likely born in Hawaii. But the fact that he is defending so many lawsuits in so many different jurisdictions asserting various legal theories using procedural defenses is itself a fact that should be taken into account, and that tends to make the less likely theories of his birth more likely.
And I can tell you, anyone who thinks defending all these suits against Obama and the DNC, even on procedural grounds, in these different jurisdictions is not expensive is not a lawyer and is not familiar with law firms or civil litigation. I have little doubt that there is plenty of money in the compliance fund portion of Obama's election fund to cover these costs, but that still removes resources the Rats could use down the road toward other campaigns or toward his own reelection campaign.
There are other sources out there. Google them.
Remember, Ann was their only child and Barry was their only grandchild. The idea that Ann and her parents broke off their relationship over the marriage is not supported by any evidence.
I agree, and I don't think it likely that they broke off their relationship, and I never asserted that.
Rather, I think it's plausible that the relationship grew strained and Ann didn't want to be so close to either her parents or husband. The most pluasible interpretation of the facts is that she just wanted to get away from everyone. What other possible reason would she have to go to Seattle?
To the contrary, I think it very likely that her parents were in fact paying her bills in Seattle, since she had no other apparent source of support.
I wouldn't rule it out, but there's nothing to rule out the possibility that she paid her bills with a part time job.
I have not contended that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya.
Most people obcessed with this birth certificate controversy fervently believe he was.
Reasonable speculation would suggest he was born in Hawaii, given the facts that his parents were UH students in 1960-1961, that her parents lived in Honolulu and I believe the newspaper birth announcements are genuine.
That's more than reasonable speculation. It's preponderance of evidence.
The birth announcements gave the address of a UH professor in the Hawaii Kai area, which I think is probably where Obama, Sr. was living during the summer before classes started back up. I have serious doubts as to whether Obama Sr. and Ann ever set up house together; perhaps they did for a brief period immediately after the marriage.
I agree with you.
However, the notion that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii is only speculation, however reasonable, because he refuses to provide the evidence in any legal proceeding.
Please name a single US president to have provided such evidence.
There are less likely possibilities that we cannot exclude, such as being born in Washington or over the border in Canada or at sea.
Scenarios of a Canadian or at-sea birth are so implausible that any reasonble person can easily dismiss them.
Or even Kenya, as unlikely as that appears to me. We know the existence of a Hawaiian birth certificate does not preclude the possibility of birth elsewhere, at least without examining the information on the face of the long-form birth certificate,
Not true. A short-form birth clearly lists the place of birth.
given the peculiarities of Hawaii law and procedures of birth certificates at that time.
What peculiarities?
And we have the strange appearance of Ann and the newborn infant Barry showing up in Seattle apparently in late August 1961 or thereabouts.
I'm not sure why you believe this to be so strange, given that she had lots of friends in Seattle.
Nevertheless, even though the facts suggest it is likely he was born in Hawaii, I find it offensive that a candidate for the highest office in our republic feels that he does not have to provide any evidence of his constitutional eligibility beyond his own signature on a piece of paper.
Can you name a single candidate for office who has done anything more than that?
We deserve more from our highest public servant. When John McCain was challenged in a legal proceeding on a similar issue, he simply submitted his birth certificate as evidence into court.
Not true.
That is the type of openness we expect from someone who wants to be the most powerful person in our land.
Then work to pass a law requiring candidates to present birth certificates to some legal authority. I would support such a law. With regard to Obama, it's a moot point now, as there is no legal obligation for him to present anything to anyone.
As I said, an objective assessment of the facts suggests he was likely born in Hawaii. But the fact that he is defending so many lawsuits in so many different jurisdictions asserting various legal theories using procedural defenses is itself a fact that should be taken into account, and that tends to make the less likely theories of his birth more likely.
If he's got a suit filed against him, he has to respond. The simplest way to get a suit against you dismissed is to respond on grounds related to standing or jurisdiction.
And I can tell you, anyone who thinks defending all these suits against Obama and the DNC, even on procedural grounds, in these different jurisdictions is not expensive is not a lawyer and is not familiar with law firms or civil litigation.
Lawayers often work for free to help their politician friends. Also, lots of these routine briefs would be covered under retainer, so there's no incrimental cost to Obama.
I believe the newspaper birth announcements are genuine. The birth announcements gave the address of a UH professor in the Hawaii Kai area, which I think is probably where Obama, Sr. was living during the summer before classes started back up. I have serious doubts as to whether Obama Sr. and Ann ever set up house together; perhaps they did for a brief period immediately after the marriage.
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The Klondyke twins were born the same day. It these were automatically submitted, why is theirs missing from the papers 3 weeks prior and 3 weeks after?