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To: Woebama

That makes no sense. Why would God create sinners, and then turn right around and provide forgiveness for something that He created in them, knowing ahead of time, who is and who isn’t going to ask for foregiveness anyway?


52 posted on 07/16/2009 9:31:30 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

God doesn’t create sinners. He created being that can choose to sin or not.


58 posted on 07/16/2009 9:45:18 AM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: stuartcr

God is outside of time, and can therefore see all of time at once. He therefore can see all of our individual moral choices, and our individual eternal destinies. However, He has by His own good will restricted Himself from making those moral choices for us. Instead, he gives each person of sound mind free will to choose good or evil, life or death, communion with Him or separation from Him. Yes, it is His will that we all choose good, life, and communion with Him; however, it is also His will that we be free to make those choices.

Trying to think about God from a human perspective is ultimately pointless. He is beyond our understanding. However, that’s why He sent His Son, Jesus, Who is Himself God, to live among us as an example. The best we can do is to love Jesus and follow His example in all things, and trust that all will be made clear in Heaven.


59 posted on 07/16/2009 9:46:16 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: stuartcr

That makes no sense. Why would God create sinners, and then turn right around and provide forgiveness for something that He created in them, knowing ahead of time, who is and who isn’t going to ask for foregiveness anyway?
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65 posted on 07/16/2009 9:53:37 AM PDT by Woebama
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To: stuartcr

God didn’t create sinners, he gave humans free will.

Not to get too theologian on this, but its a fudamental thing.

God, can do anything, he could have made us all obey without question, worship without thought.. exist in every moment and thought to further his glory, without ever being selfish or mean. However, what is that worth? Is a gift that is forced or demanded truly a gift? No, its not. A gift that’s demanded is no gift at all.

If the worship of God is to mean something it must be given freely, if the following of God’s teaching is to mean anything it must be given freely. In order for something to be given freely, the options must be there for it to be denied as well.

THere are pleanty of other theologians and scholars and writings that you can find on these topics and believe me when you explore them you will find, they make perfect sense. I hope you explore your questions.


68 posted on 07/16/2009 10:01:06 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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