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I have never viewed what he said on the Occidental College scholarship application as particularly significant. Along with the remainder of the Indonesian citizen and activities evidence, most of which has also been scrubbed.

As a lawyer, I recognize that there is a much broader legal issue behind the "natural born citizen" Constitutional provision if it ultimately proved that he was in fact born in Hawaii, to which this Indonesian citizen evidence would be relevant.

However having been in court once or twice and looking at the likely development of a courtroom legal controversy over this issue, I have come to the relatively firm conclusion that if he could ultimately prove he was born in Hawaii, he is going to remain President of the US, notwithstanding what looks like a reasonable legal Constitutional argument that he still doesn't qualify. That is just how it is.

So I have ignored the evidence behind the rest of these arguments. Although I will say that a year ago, in the early stages of the long thread, a link was posted to a person who had been at Occidental College in his period or who had been involved with getting him there (maybe not a fellow student) who as I recall stated that he had been subsidized as a foreign student from Indonesia. I ignored that--in the modern world, kids going to college get all the financial aid they can get on any basis they can get it and it's just part of the dance of dealing with the educators who have constructed an uneconomic and unfair admissions system. Just part of life. But I think that comment was the origin of the inquiry about what he might have said to Occidental.

My interest in the issue has continued because as a lawyer who has been involved in legal contests of this variety, my judgment is that it is pretty clear that he was in fact born at Coast Hospital in Mombassa Kenya.

And I will tell you that the next upcoming round is likely to get into the factual contest over where he was born. I expect to see much better fake documents than we have seen to date. I expect that ultimately, officials at the state of Hawaii will decide to scrub their records of whatever offending documentary material they have that does prove he was born in Kenya; and we will be left with needing to introduce documents and evidence on the subject ourselves.

I think Polarik has been in a courtroom before and understands what we are likely to face. It isn't going to be enough that it turns out that once Hawaii gets done with their files, there is no real evidence that he was born in Hawaii. Although he ought to be required to prove he was born in the US and that he meets whatever other legal test is implicit in the "natural born" requirement, that isn't going to be the way the courtroom argument will come out.

It is going to be necessary to at least make a prima facia case that he was born in Kenya. For that purpose, it would be very helpful to get our hands on the record certification document that has been out there floating around. I am concerned that the Opposing Forces may have reached it first.

First, speaking for most, we certainly appreciate your participation on Free Republic.

Hopefully, you will agree that the Congress is the only body that can unravel this potential scam. Further, that it may need a nudge from the USSC.

Assume for the moment that a defect occurred when the Congress ignored its obligation and authority pursuant to the 12th and 20th Amendments and 3 USC 15, to assure that no substantial irregularities occurred during the work of the Electoral College. (One of the Kerchner v Obama arguments) Assume the Democrats ignore or defeat any floor action brought now to correct such defect.

In your opinion, would one or more Republican members of Congress have a means of bringing such an issue to the USSC?

Thank you David. I tend to agree, the fix is in as far as getting anything from Hawaii. I always thought it was off that the power conveniently went out when he was there are Christmas, and remained out all night long. At the same time, Rahm was supposedly pre-planned(I do not believe that) to Africa where he disappeared for over 2 weeks. Not a single photo and as far as I know, no reports of anyone seeing him there. I figure he took care of the African issues while he was over there. All the attention was on the poser and his family over in Hawaii, the power outage, and little on what dastardly deeds Rahm might be doing over in Africa.
I will never believe this man is not a liar and has perpetuated the biggest fraud in the history of this country. This is how dictators get their *in*. I believe it may not be where he was born that gets him in the end. It may be some of the other corruption from his past. As he pisses off more and more people, eventually someone will rat on him.

Let me throw in a pure speculation for the fun of it.

Islamic Iran with their Moslem contacts in Kenya have obtained a conformed/certified copy of the Mombassa Kenya birth certificate and are blackmailing Obama into not taking ACTION against them despite their brutality and preventing any further sactions from being voted in by the G8 or the UN or anyone else.

It’s as good a reason, though not the only one, as any I think of as to why he has been such a pussycat toward the Mullahs. And had his envoys lobbying the G8 members to avoid new sanctions.

Or they have something else he cannot allow to appear. Remember they have Russian and Chinese intelligence helping them. Certainly the Russians do NOT like Obama. The Chinese think he is a moron.

neither of them want the USA meddling in their lucrative positions in Iran.

Which is part of the whole situation of the Natural Born condition that he can be vulnerable to blackmail or extortion or a split loyalty and thus a liability to the USA. (Hard to see how much more harm he could do than he is doing right now).

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