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heck post #571 for an explanation of the document. It is too long, and complicated HTML-wise to post over here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2291996/posts?page=571#571

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I saw that but that’s not new news is it? and what does that have to do with proof now that he was enrolled in Occidental by the name of Barry Soetoro and received foreign aid? I’m really confused now. Also, why does it say his birth date was in April and not August?

and what does that have to do with proof now that he was enrolled in Occidental by the name of Barry Soetoro and received foreign aid? ... Also, why does it say his birth date was in April and not August?

Oh... you asked if he had ever had another name, and that document shows he went by the name of Barry Soetoro.

Maybe BP2 or Polarik can answer your questions ... I have to leave now, going back to the ophthalmologist for a two hour vision field test, bbl.

I have never viewed what he said on the Occidental College scholarship application as particularly significant. Along with the remainder of the Indonesian citizen and activities evidence, most of which has also been scrubbed.

As a lawyer, I recognize that there is a much broader legal issue behind the "natural born citizen" Constitutional provision if it ultimately proved that he was in fact born in Hawaii, to which this Indonesian citizen evidence would be relevant.

However having been in court once or twice and looking at the likely development of a courtroom legal controversy over this issue, I have come to the relatively firm conclusion that if he could ultimately prove he was born in Hawaii, he is going to remain President of the US, notwithstanding what looks like a reasonable legal Constitutional argument that he still doesn't qualify. That is just how it is.

So I have ignored the evidence behind the rest of these arguments. Although I will say that a year ago, in the early stages of the long thread, a link was posted to a person who had been at Occidental College in his period or who had been involved with getting him there (maybe not a fellow student) who as I recall stated that he had been subsidized as a foreign student from Indonesia. I ignored that--in the modern world, kids going to college get all the financial aid they can get on any basis they can get it and it's just part of the dance of dealing with the educators who have constructed an uneconomic and unfair admissions system. Just part of life. But I think that comment was the origin of the inquiry about what he might have said to Occidental.

My interest in the issue has continued because as a lawyer who has been involved in legal contests of this variety, my judgment is that it is pretty clear that he was in fact born at Coast Hospital in Mombassa Kenya.

And I will tell you that the next upcoming round is likely to get into the factual contest over where he was born. I expect to see much better fake documents than we have seen to date. I expect that ultimately, officials at the state of Hawaii will decide to scrub their records of whatever offending documentary material they have that does prove he was born in Kenya; and we will be left with needing to introduce documents and evidence on the subject ourselves.

I think Polarik has been in a courtroom before and understands what we are likely to face. It isn't going to be enough that it turns out that once Hawaii gets done with their files, there is no real evidence that he was born in Hawaii. Although he ought to be required to prove he was born in the US and that he meets whatever other legal test is implicit in the "natural born" requirement, that isn't going to be the way the courtroom argument will come out.

It is going to be necessary to at least make a prima facia case that he was born in Kenya. For that purpose, it would be very helpful to get our hands on the record certification document that has been out there floating around. I am concerned that the Opposing Forces may have reached it first.