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So, what if she IS running in 2012? (Palin)
08 July 2009 | self

Posted on 07/08/2009 7:43:01 AM PDT by kevkrom

Let's, for a moment, simply take for granted that Sarah Palin will run as a Republican for President in 2012 and win the party's nomination. (A similar exercise can be done for other candidates of choice, of course.)

The question that needs to be answered is: how does she win? That is, what is the path to 270+ electoral votes?

I think it would be a safe assumption to say that Palin would win every state McCain won, so she starts with 173 EV right there: Alabama Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska (4/5), North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

Barring a total landslide, what states are total lost causes? I'd say: California, Connecticut, DC, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine (3/4), Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington. (Total: 189 EV)

That leaves the preliminary "battleground" (defined as "states Obama won but are not certain for him in 2012") as:

Colorado 9
Florida 27
Indiana 11
Iowa 7
Michigan 17
Nebraska (1/5)
Maine (1/4)
Minnesota 10
Nevada 5
New Hampshire 4
New Mexico 5
North Carolina 15
Ohio 20
Pennsylvania 21
Virginia 13
Wisconsin 10

So, where to get 97 or more EV? Okay, first of all, to have any chance, Palin needs to turn IN, NC, and VA back red (39 down, 58 to go). Under the "must win two of FL/OH/PA" principle, assume she needs FL and OH, that's another 47. So we're down to 9.

Where can she get them? Any one of CO, MN, or WI would be enough.

So, Palin's path to victory includes: all McCain states, FL, IN, NC, OH, VA, and one of CO/MN/WI. Can she do it? If so, how?


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Feel free to weigh in on what you agree and disagree with above!

Also, ideas on how she would make the theoretical path an actual one would be good.

1 posted on 07/08/2009 7:43:01 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: kevkrom
Let's, for a moment, simply take for granted that Sarah Palin will run as a Republican for President in 2012 and win the party's nomination

She'll never be able to advance Conservatism by remaining in the socialist Republicrat party.
2 posted on 07/08/2009 7:45:49 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: kevkrom

It’s way too early to start this analysis. Lots can happen between now Nov 2012.


3 posted on 07/08/2009 7:46:25 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: kevkrom
Palin needs to turn IN, NC, and VA back red (39 down, 58 to go). Under the "must win two of FL/OH/PA" principle, assume she needs FL and OH, that's another 47.

Virginia and North Carolina are out of reach -- the trend toward increasingly upscale suburbanization (the sort of voters who reject Palin even if they're otherwise Republican) will be even more entrenched in 2012. I'm not sufficiently familiar with Florida to be sure, but I get the impression that the same is true there.

4 posted on 07/08/2009 7:48:08 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: The_Victor; kevkrom

It is too early but interesting none the less.


5 posted on 07/08/2009 7:48:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Man50D
She'll never be able to advance Conservatism by remaining in the socialist Republicrat party.

She'll never advance anything by going into the "black hole" of third party loserdom.

The way to beat the two-party system is to subvert it, not oppose it. I.e., take over one of the parties.

6 posted on 07/08/2009 7:48:36 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: kevkrom

This, of course, is assuming the Electoral college still exists in 2012.


7 posted on 07/08/2009 7:49:03 AM PDT by Fintan
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To: Man50D

Her only chance is to, like Reagan, slap the Republican Party back into line. A timely reminder of how critical FL could be, however, and so a caution to those Freepers set to turn on her if she’s so much as spoken by phone with Crist.


8 posted on 07/08/2009 7:49:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kevkrom

Those last three states are tough. But if people generally want Obama out he will lose those and more.


9 posted on 07/08/2009 7:49:44 AM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: kevkrom

I think she’d have a fairly good chance at winning Michigan. Jenny Granholm has turned this state into a third world country. Add to that the government take over of the auto industry, and Michigan is ripe for the plucking. Its a big outdoor state, including hunting and fishing. Sarah’s common sense approach could turn Michigan red.


10 posted on 07/08/2009 7:51:19 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: steve-b

Virginia is not as “blue” as you may think, steve. Obama did not blow out the state, but squeaked by, courtesy of Hampton Roads. Palin has tremendous support in the southern and western parts of the state and in the Shenandoah Valley. She can win the state back, especially since McDonnell is currently 6 points ahead of Deeds for the governor’s office. Rumor has it that she will be coming down soon to campaign for McDonnell.


11 posted on 07/08/2009 7:52:00 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: kevkrom
The way to beat the two-party system is to subvert it, not oppose it. I.e., take over one of the parties.

We don't have a two party system. The OP has moved far enough to the socialist left in an effort to expand the voter base that it has essentially merged with the RATS. It is one big socialist Republicrat party. Another party based on strong Conservative principles will restore the two party system.
12 posted on 07/08/2009 7:52:24 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: The_Victor
It’s way too early to start this analysis. Lots can happen between now Nov 2012.

True. But it's important to have an idea of what kind of challenge awaits. The specifics may change (the 2010 census could change the EVs per state, for example) as well as the climate.

But the fact remains -- for Palin (or any other GOP challenger, for that matter), the planning needs to start now on how to address the most critical issue of all: 270 or more EV.

13 posted on 07/08/2009 7:52:47 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Rumor has it that she will be coming down soon to campaign for McDonnell.

If McDonnell wins, and Palin is seen as being a major part of that, then I think VA becomes a lock for her.

14 posted on 07/08/2009 7:53:57 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: The_Victor
"It’s way too early to start this analysis. Lots can happen between now Nov 2012."


Not only is it too early, focusing on 2012 is taking our eyes off the ball. The immediate concern should be the 2010 elections. If 2010 can be another 1994 and the momentum does not get squandered, then the dynamics for the 2012 elections will be dramatically different. KEEP THE FOCUS ON 2010!!!!
15 posted on 07/08/2009 7:53:57 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: kevkrom

this is like trying to figure out pitching match ups for the World Series in July when the Series is not until October.

its just nuts


16 posted on 07/08/2009 7:54:17 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: kevkrom
At my last notice, the Republican Party did NOT rest in the hands of a sprinkle of "inside the beltway" types nor the "country club blue bloods" it also doesn't rest in the hands of the few RINOs in elected office.

They need the rest of us conservatives to support, work and fund THEM - not the other way around!

GO Sarah GO!

17 posted on 07/08/2009 7:54:26 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Man50D
Another party based on strong Conservative principles will restore the two party system.

And when one of the dozen or so so-called "conservative" 3rd parties cracks 2%, get back to me.

18 posted on 07/08/2009 7:55:14 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: steve-b
United States presidential election in Virginia, 2008


19 posted on 07/08/2009 7:56:51 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Fintan

Congess will rename it “The Michael Jackson Memorial Election Sysytem” and it will only be allowed to elect democrats from then on.


20 posted on 07/08/2009 7:57:20 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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