Andy Martin calls State of Hawai'i a possible "gangster republic"

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[real_patriotic_american]

Conflicting info is out on where Obama was born. Has the Obama camp determined which hospital he was born at? They need to get together on their story....... By the way, why is Obama spending so much in legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden?

[wbones8765]

He isn’t a citizen that is why.

[real_patriotic_american]

I’ll agree to that!

You wrote- “He isn’t a citizen that is why.”

[silverleaf]

“..why is Obama spending so much in legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden”

obama isn’t paying- no one has investigated whose deep pockets are paying the legal fees. The obama’s havent paid for much of anything since he entered politics and was annointed to be the 2d black president.

His birth certificate would be the one reissued by state of Hawaii after he was adopted by Lolo Soetero so he could become an Indonesian citizen and attend school there. Adopted kids get a new birth certificate.

There is no evidence he ever took steps to reclaim his American citizenship or legally change his name to “Barack Obama”. Quite a messy embaraassment.

[shadeaud]

Maybe he was born in (as he pronounces) Pakkkkeeeestan

[wbones8765]

In every corner he is being helped by the courts, because they a liberal.

[Buckeye McFrog]

Jack Lord is rolling over in his grave...

[real_patriotic_american]

This in itself would make him a non-natural born citizen.

You wrote: “His birth certificate would be the one reissued by state of Hawaii after he was adopted by Lolo Soetero so he could become an Indonesian citizen and attend school there. Adopted kids get a new birth certificate.”

[real_patriotic_american]

You are correct, but “We the People” will be heard.

You wrote: “In every corner he is being helped by the courts, because they a liberal.”

[silverleaf]

It would make him a kid whose kooky communist America-hating mother renounced his citizenship in a plant to raise him as an Indonesian (which does NOT recognize “dual citzenship”.

As a young man he could have reclaimed his US citizenship, but he had to take specific concrete action to do so. When has obama ever bothered with pesky paperwork?

I contend he got his first US passport (VIP One) as a US Senator, by sending a minion over to State Dept to demand he be issued one in a hurry to make a VIP trip (again, the use of a crisis) without proper documentation. No doubt the racist card worked its charm on some State Dept clerk who deals with the imperious Congress and their strap hangers

[real_patriotic_american]

Are you aware of Obama’s trip to Pakistan in 1981? Which country’s passport did he travel with?

[envisio]

The media doesn’t care if he’s a citizen or not. All they will ever do is swoon when they mention his name and follow him around to get a glimpse of him walking on water.
Until the media’s hero worship ends, this will never be an issue.

[silverleaf]

I've read about that trip to Pakistan. Supposedly in 1981 US citizens could not travel to Pakistan on regular US passports. His mother was there, as a NGO employee, working for Ford Foundation.

Lots of questions the journalists have studiously ignored. Stanley Dunham’s passport records would also be interesting and answer the question whether she ever traveled to Kenya and when.

No doubt the campaign State Dept passport security hack pulled or altered a lot of records. Too bad the DC investigator on that case was murdered in a random street crime.

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.)

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so.There is even evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with five backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate.

[real_patriotic_american]

I understand that this murder case was never solved? Hummmmmm?

You wrote- “No doubt the campaign State Dept passport security hack pulled or altered a lot of records. Too bad the DC investigator on that case was murdered in a random street crime.”

[circumbendibus]

good post!

[real_patriotic_american]

Thank you! Note conflicting Obama info on where he was born.

[real_patriotic_american]

Interesting. Verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.

You wrote- “Obama’s own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982 ...................... Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan (citizenship) because he was born there—and not because of his parentage.”

[Plummz]

Apparently Hawaii has a long history of giving out birth certs and COLBs like candy, no questions asked, in order to inflate their census numbers for federal funds... it’s no surprise they’re stonewalling.

[real_patriotic_american]

Good point! Well put!

You wrote- “Apparently Hawaii has a long history of giving out birth certs and COLBs like candy, no questions asked, in order to inflate their census numbers for federal funds... it’s no surprise they’re stonewalling.”