Posted on 06/28/2009 8:16:03 AM PDT by cowboyway
So I guess our founders who really only had between 33%-50% of the population at one time shouldn’t have tried either..
That is why a state realistically needs to first pass it’s own “honest money” bill and allow/or create a commodoties backed State currency first, when economy has been built SS will no longer be necessary!
The 0bammunists would come at any popular "rebellion" with overwhelming military force, just as Chavez, the Iranian mullahs, and the Soviets have done. The only chance for success is if a substantial part of the existing armed forces turn on the regime.
That's because the US Constitution requires the Federal Government to defeat rebellions, insurrections, invasions and domestic violence. So fageddaboutit.
So, do you want to secede? Do you really truly honestly sincerely want to secede? OK, here's how you do it:
You secede the exact same way you got into the Union in the first place -- your state government applies to the US Congress to secede. Then you negotiate, and negotiate and negotiate -- possible for years.
When it's all said & done, there is a new contract -- a new constitution which is ratified just like the old one, and provides for the seceding states in whatever status & term were finally agreed to.
There is no blood-shed, no law breaking, no violence. It's all done in a very civilized, peaceful manner.
Does that sound unrealistic? Well of course, but it's the only POSSIBLE way. Anything else and your violence will be met with overwhelming constitutionally mandated Federal force.
Overwhelming military force against #1) The State sponsored Militias, Police Forces as well as activated “home guard” (all willing able bodied men) 2) Unorganized patritiots which would defend the homeland, 3)National Guard Units called by governors, and finally #3 A large portion of our militiar which would either A) Stay out, or B side with US because they take their OATHS seriously, and as long as we arent the instigators of the war, nor the agressors, and try for peace- I dont think The O’s brown-shirts will get very far.
Ping
Similar arguments no doubt were BRIEFLY comforting to Southerners in 1860.
True - but it was an idiotic argument.
Nowhere in the body text of the Articles or the Constitution was it stated that the Union was to be permanent or perpetual.
False - Article XIII (IIRC) of the Articles of Confederation referred to a 'perpetual union,' but the States that ratified the new Constitution seceded from that supposed;y 'perpetual union,' when they submitted their ratification documents. As James Madison noted in Federalist No. 43,:'
"The ratification of the conventions of nine States shall be sufficient for the establishment of this Constitution between the States, ratifying the same."
This article speaks for itself...
Two questions of a very delicate nature present themselves on this occasion...
2. What relation is to subsist between the nine or more States ratifying the Constitution, and the remaining few who do not become parties to it?
...The second question is not less delicate; and the flattering prospect of its being merely hypothetical forbids an overcurious discussion of it. It is one of those cases which must be left to provide for itself. In general, it may be observed, that although no political relation can subsist between the assenting and dissenting States, yet the moral relations will remain uncancelled. The claims of justice, both on one side and on the other, will be in force, and must be fulfilled; the rights of humanity must in all cases be duly and mutually respected; whilst considerations of a common interest, and, above all, the remembrance of the endearing scenes which are past, and the anticipation of a speedy triumph over the obstacles to reunion, will, it is hoped, not urge in vain MODERATION on one side, and PRUDENCE on the other.
The ratification of the Constitution was, in fact, an act of State secession from a self-described 'perpetual union'...
The report of the Annapolis Convention of 1786 revealed that a real danger of dissolution of the Pre-1789 Confederation existed, and that if the Constitution had not been created, it is likely that the original states would have gone their separate ways.
They went 'their separate ways,' when they ratified the new Constitution, under the specific written terms of Article VII thereof ("The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States [NOT THIRTEEN States - see Article XIII of the Articles of Confederation], shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same")...
Sorry about the typo[s]...
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