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1 posted on 06/22/2009 7:55:52 AM PDT by ignorancerunsrampant
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To: AuntB; HiJinx; gubamyster

ping!


2 posted on 06/22/2009 7:58:37 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

Jose makes nearly three times as much as I do and that’s before SS and taxes are withheld from my paycheck.


7 posted on 06/22/2009 8:06:23 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: ignorancerunsrampant
What happens to the 31K that Jose has? He spends it. So, some of it goes back into the economy. The rest he probably sends to mexico.

Do not take this in any way as support for illegals but if you are going to post an argument be prepared to defend it.

9 posted on 06/22/2009 8:10:59 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: ignorancerunsrampant
Bernard Eldredge Elementary in Petaluma, CA is switching to “Dual Immersion” teaching.
Here’s how that works:
Kindergarteners are given instruction 90% in Spanish and 10% in English.
In 1st grade they go to 80% Spanish, 20% English
In 2nd grade it goes to 70% Spanish, 30% English.
and so forth.
Well, it gets WORSE! If the students are NOT native Spanish speakers, then THEY STILL GET 90% OF THEIR INSTRUCTION IN SPANISH!!!!
10 posted on 06/22/2009 8:11:51 AM PDT by rivercat
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

Even if you had an amnesty, there would still be incentives to remain Joe Illegal and to recruit more Joe Illegals. Good analysis.


11 posted on 06/22/2009 8:17:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

It is so sad that being “legal” puts someone at a disadvantage compared to those who don’t follow the law.

Even moreso that those that DO try to follow the law can get tripped up by that very law, twisted about for no good purpose. (Mattress-tags anyone?)

Take this portion of the Lacey Act (16 USC 3370):

It is unlawful for any person to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire, possess, or purchase any fish, wildlife, or plant taken, possessed, transported, or sold in violation of any Federal, State, foreign, or Indian tribal law, treaty, or regulation.

This means that if some country (say Uganda) forbids the possession of a goldfish, then all goldfish owners are law-breakers... oh, and look federal ones! Felony charges? You bet!

How would you like to be denied your right to vote or own firearms because you owned a goldfish? Or how about mint? ( http://www.reason.com/blog/show/114166.html )

Seriously, there are enough laws out there to turn anyone into a felon. Just like the DHS report turns virtually everyone into a possible extremist; it is painted in such wide brushes that it could be argued that ascribing to a religion makes you a possible extremist.


12 posted on 06/22/2009 8:21:19 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

The Illegal’s kids can also take a college seat away from the Legal’s kids. They can pay In-state tuition which is covered with scholarships the Legal kids aren’t eligible for. Or if they bypassed college for MS-13 and a criminal record, they can still get job training if they live in San Francisco. Viva la Estados Unidos del Mexico.


13 posted on 06/22/2009 8:22:00 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

Meanwhile in NJ, there was a construction project out for bid. a companh owned by “Joe” bid to do the work. He emphasized that that his company was 75 years old, he was fully insured, all of his workers were union, the work will comply with OSHA 100%, there would be no subcontractors and it would take 3 weeks to do the work. The bid was $225,000

“Jose” also bid the same job for $175,000, which he said would be done in two weeks, no questions asked.

“Joey the wrench” then approached the owner with a bid for $225,000 - $25,000 for me $25,000 for you, and $175,000 for the Mexicans.


16 posted on 06/22/2009 8:27:25 AM PDT by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

And don’t forget, Jose Illegal’s employer gets to keep an extra $20,800. That’s why, from his perspective, it’s not a bad idea.


18 posted on 06/22/2009 9:01:57 AM PDT by DoctorTomorrow (Quietly reading and learning here on FR)
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

And if “Joe Legal” or his wife or kids get sick, insurance doesn’t cover everything. He’s got deductibles, copays, prescription costs, etc., while Jose Illegal gets everything for free. Plus Joe’s insurance might refuse to cover certain conditions at all, leaving him totally out of luck.

And Joe Legal has to buy car insurance, which is very expensive, partly because of all the “Jose Illegals” who drive drunk or commit hit-and-runs with no licenses and/or insurance. If Jose Illegal has insurance at all, he pays the first premium in order to get the sticker for his vehicle, then simply stops paying.

It goes on and on.


19 posted on 06/22/2009 9:03:17 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

“Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays rent. $500.00 per month (section 8 housing). $6,000.00 per year.”

More likely his monthly payment would be less than $50.

I do work on a condo that rents for $1,850/mo. and section 8 pays all but $50 of it.


26 posted on 06/22/2009 9:43:01 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

“Don’t vote for any politician that supports illegal aliens.”

Well, everyone who voted for McShamnesty & Palin did.

How about we learn from our mistakes.


29 posted on 06/22/2009 5:54:49 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.........../.......... Sanford '12)
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