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To: ignorancerunsrampant
What happens to the 31K that Jose has? He spends it. So, some of it goes back into the economy. The rest he probably sends to mexico.

Do not take this in any way as support for illegals but if you are going to post an argument be prepared to defend it.

9 posted on 06/22/2009 8:10:59 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: raybbr

But that has absolutely nothing to do with the inequalities between Jose and Joe.

Further, Joe will likewise have to put money into the economy (food etc.), at least the amount not already stolen by the government to wrongfully give to Jose as benefits. Additionally, in essence, some of the money given by Jose back to the market is actually Joe’s because if Joe’s money was not taken to give benefits to Jose, it would be used by Joe in the market. Since it was instead given to the government to give to Jose, Jose does not have to pay for those expenses and has more money to spend in the market.

Think of it this way (using overly simplified numbers). Say Joe has $100 left over and there are no taxes at all. He would spend that in the market to improve his living condition or invest it wisely which will benefit him in the future and benefit investment professionals and banks in the short run. If Jose had $100 left over (again assuming no taxes), he would spend $25 of the $100 on services he needs (medical etc.) instead of relying on the government, spends $25 on himself for other items, and sens $50 back home. In essence, $150 in total is placed into the US market

now say Joe is taxed such that $25 of that $100 goes to the government. Joe can now only spend $75 in the market. Jose benefits from programs based on this $25 (actually about $20 after government expenses are taken out but we will pretend it is still $25) to pay what he would have used his excess cash for. So now Joe is contributing $75 to the market and Jose’s $25 medical expenses are paid by Joe. Jose now has $100 cash but since he will still only spend $25 on himself, $75 of this gets sent back home. In essence, the $25 taken from Joe to go to Jose is actually being diverted back to Mexico or wherever Jose is from. The amount put into the US market is no longer $150 but rather $125. It is the people back in Jose’s home country who benefit most from this whole scheme. Even if Jose were to spend $30 instead of $25, the people back home would still benefit at Joe’s expense.


14 posted on 06/22/2009 8:22:09 AM PDT by wrhssaxensemble (Piyush "Bobby" Jindal in 2012 after Obama makes an even bigger mess of everything)
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To: raybbr

I will be glad to defend it. Exhibit A: California’s budget!


15 posted on 06/22/2009 8:24:07 AM PDT by ignorancerunsrampant (Where is the Court of Common Sense?)
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