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To: Non-Sequitur
You said: "Your whole tale kind of falls apart there. Eleven ships? Two thousand troops? What kind of fantasy world are you and Maury living in? None of that is supported by the Official Record or any reputable book on Sumter that I've read. Six or seven ships. About 300 troops."

You are being deceptive and absurd. The data given by Klein is based on the Official Records, and you have been given three sources to support that...including your favorite--"The Official Records". Klein flatly states that there were varying numbers on the original troop counts and what eventually arrived at Ft. Sumter and Ft. Pickens. Here is what he quotes:

http://books.google.com/books?id=9y4OAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA5-PA49&lpg=RA5-PA49&dq=fort+sumter+baltic+atlantic+lane&source=bl&ots=A51jNWXB3e&sig=vtLf-caZrA0i5FdJ1c1Up0WAl8Q&hl=en&ei=wZxQSunTC8GJtgeIpeSzBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

If you have trouble with the count, you will see it is 11 ships and 1400 men and troops according to this official record.

But this is off the point, which was your denial that there was ever a "secret" effort on Lincoln's part to deceive the Confederate leaders, which I have shown you is completely false.

1,131 posted on 07/05/2009 6:49:32 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge
The data given by Klein is based on the Official Records, and you have been given three sources to support that...including your favorite--"The Official Records". Klein flatly states that there were varying numbers on the original troop counts and what eventually arrived at Ft. Sumter and Ft. Pickens. Here is what he quotes:

I think that you're the one being deceptive and/or absurd and not me. In reply 988 you allegedly quote Klein saying that there were 'approximately 11 ships' and 'approximately 2000 troops'. That shrank to 8 ships and 1400 troops in reply 1108. Not you post a link that says 8 ships and 1400 troops AND crew, not 1400 troops. I'll wait until you can arrive at a consistent story.

If you have trouble with the count, you will see it is 11 ships and 1400 men and troops according to this official record.

Pawnee, Powhatan, Harriet Lane, Baltic, Illinois, Atlantic, Yankee, and Uncle Ben. Sorry but no matter how many time I count that it comes to 8 and not 11. And before you claim was 1400 troops, not men and troops. Like I said, your tale changes by the hour.

But this is off the point, which was your denial that there was ever a "secret" effort on Lincoln's part to deceive the Confederate leaders, which I have shown you is completely false.

You've shown nothing of the sort.

1,161 posted on 07/05/2009 9:54:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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