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Actually, all this thread is doing is trying to say that there seem to be a lot of “astro-turfers” here on the site who really are promoting Obama and his policies - especially within the last 4-5 months. There is no reason they should be allowed to “stay” at a site that is meant as a place for CONSERVATIVES (of many stripes - liberatarian, Republican, Libertarian, Idependents, aPolitical-types, disenfranchised Conservatives, etc... — all who agree with the stated “vision” set forth on the main page of this forum.

I don't disagree with any of that. What I disagree with is the part where some people believe that, just because some people have some issues on which they differ from "conservatives" that they should be either shouted down or banned. Thus, even though RINOs have some issues on which they are "democrat-like", they still consider themselves "republicans". I have no disagreement with this being a conservative site. I just hope that some people can be more open-minded.

I definitely agree with that. Being of a more Conservative-libertarian mindset myself I find myself disagreeing with other FReepers from time to time on certain issues...

Also, there is much to be said for explaining your position when disagreeing. Many times there is much to be gained by responses when people are open and honest about their disagreements, and are respectful when doing so as well...

Also, if a true liberal troll actually attempts to debate it usually becomes clear that their point of view doesn’t come form someone with Conservative values, or beliefs. Their liberal mind-set usually seeps out - usually without them realizing it. As I said I’m a Conservative-libertarian. I’ve often disagreed with my fellow FReepers, but it’s rare that I’ve been outright called a liberal! LOL Usually even when I disagree within my arguments you can see that I’m not looking at things AS a liberal does...

Anyway, mostly I’d say that we agree. And, incidently it’s why I’m glad I’m not a Mod. Figuring out who really is a Conservative with an honest to goodness alternate point of view, vs. a liberal with an agenda pretending to be a Conservative probably gets tiresome.

Thus, even though RINOs have some issues on which they are "democrat-like", they still consider themselves "republicans". I have no disagreement with this being a conservative site. I just hope that some people can be more open-minded.

You seem to be more than a little confused about what a Republican is and is not these days and what a conservative is.

Republicans are not by default conservatives.

Any Republican that is that democrat-like IS a RINO, liberal, whatever, but certainly not a conservative.