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Is globalism and "free trade" what's destroying the GOP? (America-first vanity)

Posted on 05/09/2009 12:47:21 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

Yesterday I happened upon a post by a fellow FReeper. In retrospect, I am sorry for responding rudely to their post - and I hope they happen upon this apology.

The post was presenting their heartfelt opinion that American industry and our system itself must be allowed to come apart so that something better can replace it.

It was a Rand-ian position. The system is becoming oppressive, therefore we must weaken it.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: bush; clinton; freetrade; globalism; gop; outsourcing; readdailykos; reagan; reaganfetishists; reaganwas4freetrade; sellout; socialismnow; votenader2012; voteunionyes; waaaaah; welcomedulurkers; workersworldunite
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Hey why not add drug user

Reagan didn't eliminate restrictions on the importation of heroin. Is that "socialistic" too?

741 posted on 05/13/2009 8:07:23 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
1. Trade between nations without protective customs tariffs.

2. That's right - NO TARIFFS OR DUTIES!

So all tariffs are "protective."

NewSpeak. The language of Reagan haters everywhere.

742 posted on 05/13/2009 8:12:09 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave

Oh no, that would be communistic; if he eliminated the restrictions THEN it would be socialistic. And it was Marxist that he didn’t legalize prostitution, and fascist that he didn’t give free rides to space aboard the space shuttles.

Let’s see, anything we’ve left out from your paranoid ramblings?


743 posted on 05/13/2009 8:14:54 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Mojave
So all tariffs are "protective."

Don't know where protective comes into the equation; six definitions from a wide variety of references all say that free trade excludes the use of tariffs - the reason for the usage is moot.

So you tell me - what source do you have that says tariffs are a sign of free trade?

744 posted on 05/13/2009 8:16:36 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Backwards. You're the paranoid that thinks that Reagan was "socialistic."

Or have you changed your story?

745 posted on 05/13/2009 8:22:28 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Don't know where protective comes into the equation

That was explicit language in definitions that you just posted posted.

Are you contending that all tariffs are "protective"? Or are you just playing fast and loose with your rationalizations?

746 posted on 05/13/2009 8:27:06 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Oh no, that would be communistic

A question for the voice of experience: Is hands on facilitation of Chinese slave labor communistic?

747 posted on 05/13/2009 8:33:53 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I can't answer that question until you respond to my #722. ... let's assume that my use of the term "socialistic" is inaccurate. What term should we use that is accurate?

Why do we need a term at all?

You described a scenario that may not even exist (loose quotes below):

• tariffs - one method that the government uses to achieve what it calls an equitable social outcome

• increased government intervention in the social sphere in order to achieve equitable outcomes (I assume you were still referring to tariffs here)

I added the emphasis because that is where your questions puzzle me. I don't see tariffs being used for those purposes. So, if we must come up with an "istic" or "ism" label to fit your suggested scenarios, why not tell me what tariffs fit those definitions, or give me an example of such a case? Otherwise, don't we just have the government performing its constitutional duty under the commerce clause? In which case I would call it "regulation" not "intervention."

And remember, this all started because I was told in no uncertain terms that "managed trade" = "socialism" which is wrong in all cases.

748 posted on 05/13/2009 11:13:20 AM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: 1rudeboy
it includes some collective ownership

Yup.

749 posted on 05/13/2009 11:14:05 AM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
When you import goods, there is actually a Government lien on your goods until you pay the duties, meaning that the Government does, in fact, own your product.
The shipper also has a lien on the product, so that if you fail to pay your freight then they can sell the product since they do own it.
I’d say it’s really a fascist-socialist mix, if you want to get to the nitty-gritty.

A lien is not ownership. A lien is security for a debt.
It gives no ownership or control of the product, unless you don't pay your debt.
Same as if you don't pay the IRS and they file a lien on your property.

Is the IRS fascist? Well... you may have me there, LOL.

But it ain't socialism

750 posted on 05/13/2009 11:23:09 AM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: Mojave
And in protecting the American economy through the use of tariffs and quotas, as needed.

Yes, Reagan believed in free trade but he also said we should not be free trade patsy's (as we are with China).

751 posted on 05/13/2009 12:34:05 PM PDT by tc45a
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To: calcowgirl
Why do we need a term at all?

Clearly, you need to reread the thread.

752 posted on 05/13/2009 12:48:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Read the rest of my post. I answered your question.

Now, will you answer mine?


753 posted on 05/13/2009 1:29:10 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl
Moreover, isn't it disingenuous to pick me apart for my use of the term "socialistic," and then when asked what term might be more suitable, to say "Why do we need a term at all?"

If we don't need a term at all, then why was the term "socialistic" such a bother? And no, I will not answer your question, for the above reason. I've been beaten over the head for close to three days for the words I use. So let's agree to some, or go play video games.

754 posted on 05/13/2009 1:40:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

No, not at all. I can’t very well define something if you don’t give me an example.

Sheesh!

And, besides, I did give you a label — “regulation”

As to video games... nah. But here’s some good music for ya:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2250222/posts?page=67#67


755 posted on 05/13/2009 2:03:56 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: Mojave

You know, the hardest part about my day when I’m over here is that my whipping arm gets tired after a few hours of issuing beatings, and if you’re not careful you’ll twist an ankle when walking on their backs.

Not to mention that the cost of gruel has increased 2% and that means I had to cut rations 5% (you know, for good measure).

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go watch a few dozen more get shackled to their benches, and then start their 60 minute daily Mao adoration!


756 posted on 05/13/2009 2:30:17 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: calcowgirl

OK, we’ll call tariffs “fascist” then. I’m not sure that improves their position much, though!

And we have 100% agreement about the IRS...:)


757 posted on 05/13/2009 2:33:42 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Uh huh. I'm sure that China is a workers' paradise.

Do ya have a Ronald Reagan dartboard in the recreation room?

758 posted on 05/13/2009 2:50:00 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
OK, we’ll call tariffs “fascist” then.

I wouldn't call them that.

And we have 100% agreement about the IRS...:)

We'll leave it there, then! LOL

759 posted on 05/13/2009 2:50:16 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: tc45a

Wall Street Journal
MAY 13, 2009, 1:34 PM ET

“General Motors plans to start importing Chinese-built vehicles into the U.S. in 2011, according to an outline the auto maker has submitted to members of the U.S. Congress.”

They should call them Obamabiles.


760 posted on 05/13/2009 3:06:14 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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