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Is globalism and "free trade" what's destroying the GOP? (America-first vanity)

Posted on 05/09/2009 12:47:21 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

Yesterday I happened upon a post by a fellow FReeper. In retrospect, I am sorry for responding rudely to their post - and I hope they happen upon this apology.

The post was presenting their heartfelt opinion that American industry and our system itself must be allowed to come apart so that something better can replace it.

It was a Rand-ian position. The system is becoming oppressive, therefore we must weaken it.


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To: Mojave

From my comment #45, on this very thread: “All presidents impose tariffs on one product or another, at one time or another.” Just wanted to remind you.


401 posted on 05/11/2009 5:15:33 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Mojave
You lame attempt at preemption was transparent.

Yet somehow oh so accurate! Thank you for moving the target in front of my launched arrow, I could not have been accurate without your assistance!

Please restate your question.

Do you support free trade as defined by the Columbia Encyclopedia?

402 posted on 05/11/2009 5:17:02 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: 1rudeboy
“All presidents impose tariffs on one product or another, at one time or another.”

So was President Ronald Reagan, as a member of that set, a "protectionist"?

403 posted on 05/11/2009 5:17:28 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: calcowgirl
C'mon, girl. You've proved that "free trade" is "managed trade." What do you think you've accomplished?

More importantly do you think that, because you've "proved" (didn't see anyone arguing that point, really) the above, we should "manage" trade even more, as you suggest?

404 posted on 05/11/2009 5:18:53 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Yet somehow oh so accurate!

Nope. Bizarre and irrational.

405 posted on 05/11/2009 5:19:12 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave

Do you support free trade as defined by the Columbia Encyclopedia?


406 posted on 05/11/2009 5:20:46 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: 1rudeboy
You've proved that "free trade" is "managed trade."

Per the rapidly evolving positions of the thread's "free trade" apologists.

407 posted on 05/11/2009 5:20:54 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave
So was President Ronald Reagan, as a member of that set, a "protectionist"?

Of course. Same goes for you, what do you think you've accomplished?

408 posted on 05/11/2009 5:20:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Mojave

No. Per the rapidly evolving strawmen that the protectionists must rely upon.


409 posted on 05/11/2009 5:21:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Dude, you have to come back for the lulz. The protectionists have “proven” that free trade is managed trade. LOLOL


410 posted on 05/11/2009 5:23:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Do you support free trade as defined by the Columbia Encyclopedia?

No improvement. Are you asking whether I believe that the Columbia Encyclopedia definition should be preferred to the "free dictionary" definition? Or are you asking me if I would support "free trade" if it conformed to the Columbia Encyclopedia definition?

411 posted on 05/11/2009 5:24:20 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
OK, please state what your position is on free trade as defined by the free dictionary.

There are two definition from your link to free dictionary:

free trade
n.
Trade between nations without protective customs tariffs.

free trade
Noun
international trade that is free of such government interference as protective tariffs and import quotas

My "position" is that those are pretty simplistic definitions given what we see characterized today as "free trade." I largely believe in the theory of free trade for non-essential items or non-critical industries (which would exclude basic food items, items/material required for national defense, etc.). But I don't believe that what we see today in FTAs represents "free trade" in the slightest.

Your statements have been vague and argumentative. You give an answer that is ambiguous, and when asked for clarification you feign indignation.

You didn't ask for clarification. You wanted me to agree with your statements. Next time, instead of posting "You therefore agree XYZ, correct?" try asking a question like "I don't understand what you mean by ABC." You'll get a much more welcome response.

If you take this as an attack on your intellect, you would be in error; if you take this as a statement about your inability to form a cogent position in this thread, you would be unequivocally correct.

You're an insulting little cuss, you know that? Was that "cogent" enough for you?

412 posted on 05/11/2009 5:26:30 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: 1rudeboy; PugetSoundSoldier
The protectionists have “proven” that free trade is managed trade. LOLOL

PugetSoundSoldier is a protectionist?

413 posted on 05/11/2009 5:29:42 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: 1rudeboy
More importantly do you think that, because you've "proved" (didn't see anyone arguing that point, really) the above, we should "manage" trade even more, as you suggest?

NO!

I think FTAs have done more than enough to screw up the markets.

414 posted on 05/11/2009 5:31:47 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: 1rudeboy; calcowgirl
[So was President Ronald Reagan, as a member of that set, a "protectionist"?]

Of course.

RINOs just can't help themselves.

415 posted on 05/11/2009 5:32:05 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: calcowgirl

He’s still a relative n00b, you know. No need to get personal when he thinks he’s found an error in your reasoning.


416 posted on 05/11/2009 5:32:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Mojave

So, are you willing to recognize that Reagan is responsible for the WTO? If not, why not? (While we are giving credit where credit is due, of course).


417 posted on 05/11/2009 5:34:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Mojave
PugetSoundSoldier is a protectionist?

If this thread was left to you, you would prove that water is wet. Or not wet, depending.

418 posted on 05/11/2009 5:36:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

When one is rude, they get rudeness in response.

You missed that part though, didn’t you?


419 posted on 05/11/2009 5:36:13 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: 1rudeboy

The Reagan administration operated under GATT, not the WTO. Check your dates.


420 posted on 05/11/2009 5:37:14 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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