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I'd say: that Union, which "nobady wanted," was wanted by a large majority of northerners plus a sizable minority of southerners, especially in border states, most especially slaves.

Typical. The FedsYankees/Northerners out number you so shut up do as we say, might makes right.

I'm starting to get a handle on this, it's not pretty.

PS: Read history, nobody in the years after Confederation really wanted a centralized Federal Government (Union). That was the whole point of the Constitution, an attempt to control centralized power. It has failed in that regard miserably.

"PS: Read history, nobody in the years after Confederation really wanted a centralized Federal Government (Union). That was the whole point of the Constitution, an attempt to control centralized power. It has failed in that regard miserably."

The US Constitution was crafted largely by Virginians like Washington, Madison & Jefferson -- in order to increase the Federal Government's authorities, compared to the old Articles of Confederation, while still limiting federal power to the bare essentials. These same Founders built a whole new city -- Washington, DC -- to centralize the government closer to Virginia.

As to how successful the Constitution was these past 221 years, well, consider this: at about that same time, our great Revolutionary War allies -- the French -- were also undergoing a Revolution to overthrow their monarchy and replace it with republican government. But by the time Jefferson was reelected in 1804, the French had given up on their Republic and crowned Napoleon Emperor.

When we get our first emperor crowned, then I'll admit, our Constitution was no more successful that the French. ;-)

"Typical. The FedsYankees/Northerners out number you so shut up do as we say, might makes right."

"Might makes right," you say? And just what, exactly, made slavery "right" in the South, if not the might of a very small minority of slave owners?