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Apple seeks court order compelling Psystar to turn over financial information
Mac Daily News | 5/1/2009

Posted on 05/01/2009 9:48:48 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 05/01/2009 9:48:48 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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Psystar obfuscating in discovery... CEO fails to answer basic questions about Psystar's finances 90 times and company fails to produce subpoenaed records. PING!

Judge Alsop not happy, may sanction them...


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2 posted on 05/01/2009 9:53:54 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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Psystar’s finances are irrelevant to this case. Apple’s finances are much more interesting


3 posted on 05/01/2009 9:59:12 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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Psystar’s finances are irrelevant to this case. Apple’s finances are much more interesting

No, they aren't. Financial data is always relevant in a civil suit that involves monetary damages. Psystar is going to be handed it's head by the judge for refusing to answer... and that will happen fairly rapidly. Judge Alsop has ordered Psystar to respond forthwith... Monday... with a sanction hearing on Tuesday.

Apple's financials are public knowledge.

4 posted on 05/01/2009 10:22:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: dennisw

It is a standard question in any such case - and if it turns out that a business rival of Apple’s is funding the lawsuit... well, let’s just say it won’t be going well for them.

Judges frown on proxy lawfare.


5 posted on 05/01/2009 10:30:44 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Yeah who is that proxy behind Los Hermanos Psystar? Fidel Castro? Raul? You would not lay money on any of your jive talk about proxies


6 posted on 05/01/2009 10:34:29 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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Well, you do know about the SCO lawsuitfest, right? Turns out that Microsoft was behind the “Sue Linux Out Of Existence” funding that SCO was getting.


7 posted on 05/01/2009 10:38:24 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Swordmaker
No, they aren't. Financial data is always relevant in a civil suit that involves monetary damages. Psystar is going to be handed it's head by the judge for refusing to answer... and that will happen fairly rapidly. Judge Alsop has ordered Psystar to respond forthwith... Monday... with a sanction hearing on Tuesday.

Apple's financials are public knowledge.

Big deal Psystar will comply they have a very good Silicon Valley attorney. They are just screwing with a Steve-less Apple, I would do the same. Los Hermanos Psystar never had any stock options backdated for them. Apple would be much more interesting to peel and core in court in depositions and under oath

 

You are rooting for a boring and soulless corporation.

8 posted on 05/01/2009 10:40:12 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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To: Spktyr

Well, you do know about the SCO lawsuitfest, right? Turns out that Microsoft was behind the “Sue Linux Out Of Existence” funding that SCO was getting.
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My bet is that you would not bet on a repeat in this case. MS is not so stupid


9 posted on 05/01/2009 10:41:46 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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To: Spktyr

I followed SCO vs IBM it was very interesting and I’m glad they lost. I never support such lawyer driven schemes


10 posted on 05/01/2009 10:43:54 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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SCO v. IBM and SCO v. Novell isn’t over yet.

They got some cash from somewhere (some Middle Eastern outfit, apparently friends of Bill) and are appealing the cases. While filing bankruptcy.


11 posted on 05/01/2009 10:47:51 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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And, actually, MS is quite stupid. Or at least their legal department is.

I will never understand how such a rich company ends up with such a worthless legal department. I will also never understand how SCO thought it would be a good idea, even propped up with MicrosoftMoney, to take on IBM’s legal department.

IBM’s legal department is so good, they rent it out to other people as part of their consulting services. Suing them is like sticking multiple parts of your anatomy into a running wood chipper - it’s just a stupid idea.


12 posted on 05/01/2009 10:50:32 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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My bet is that you would not bet on a repeat in this case. MS is not so stupid

Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

13 posted on 05/01/2009 10:53:37 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

0bama-—
Malice or stupidity (naivete)

I vote malice


14 posted on 05/01/2009 11:16:33 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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Yes, but most of Bailout Barry’s actions cannot be attributed to stupidity.

Microsoft, on the other hand.... not so much.


15 posted on 05/01/2009 11:19:43 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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You are probably right with Microsoft. They locked up the OS and Office suite pretty much and got business customers (suckers) on an eternal upgrade treadmill. They accumulated a huge cash horde and have blown it here and there on harebrained ventures. Maybe X-Box is their biggest adventure and success

I was surprised that Apple has a cash horde roughly the same size. 20 billion or so? Apple has used it cash much more wisely to get iphones, itunes, ipods off the ground. Great brand name penetration and introduction to the universe of Apple products especially among the young to get brand loyalty for life established.
If I was Apple my next move is a 10.2 netbook for $550 that blows the others out of the water. Windows7 is a serious attempt to corner the netbook OS market and Apple must respond or lose out on brand visibility


16 posted on 05/02/2009 6:30:16 AM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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To: dennisw
My bet is that you would not bet on a repeat in this case. MS is not so stupid

I was thinking more along the lines of a hardware manufacturer that wants to put OS X on its systems, but doesn't dare to do it due to the potential liability. Better to back-door fund a small company which doesn't have so much to lose.

17 posted on 05/02/2009 7:47:59 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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That’s why people refer to IBM Legal as the Nazgûl. If you’re a LOTR fan, you’ll understand.


18 posted on 05/02/2009 8:07:33 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: dennisw; Spktyr; Swordmaker; antiRepublicrat
Apple would be much more interesting to peel and core in court in depositions and under oath

You are rooting for a boring and soulless corporation.

The Apple business model is to design and produce - and sell at a premium price - good, and elegantly styled, hardware with substantial added value in its bundled software. Not only in the software delivered with the hardware, but in the software upgrade support after the sale. Even as you shop for a Mac with Leopard, you see and consider the reasonable price previous customers are paying to upgrade from earlier versions of OS X without needing to upgrade their hardware - thereby maintaining the value of their older machines and helping to justify Apple's premium pricing on its new machines.

Psystar's "hackintosh" is an effort to subvert that Apple business model by forcing Apple to license OS X to customers of competitors who don't pay Apple's premium-priced hardware, and to do so at the same price that Apple charges customers of its own hardware. Thereby forcing Apple into the Microsoft business model. Which, as we know, is to lowball the cost of ownership of a computer by promoting cheap hardware, then selling expensive and bloated Windows upgrades which then inevitably require hardware upgrades. All the while keeping its customers bound to an OS code base which is crude compared with the UnixTM underlying OS X and even that of the similar, free, Linux.

If, as reported, Microsoft relies on hosting Win XP in a virtual machine to assure Windows 7 backward compatibility, it'll be interesting to see how Win 7 fits in between free Linux on the one hand, and excellent OS X "Snow Leopard" Unix on the other.


19 posted on 05/02/2009 9:28:30 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: dennisw
You are rooting for a boring and soulless corporation.

Since you bring it u all Corporations appear to be soulless, so who are you rooting for, and why?

20 posted on 05/02/2009 11:11:07 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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