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To: Secret Agent Man

No, I am not the one using emotion based arguments, you are. Where in the Bible does it say the government must punish people for not treating an animal as it says?

The laws interfering with human rights over animal rights are wrong and should be abandoned. It is also wrong to cause animals to needlessly suffer...just keep the government out of it.


83 posted on 04/30/2009 8:47:39 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Government tends to never fix the problems it creates in the first place)
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To: ResponseAbility

Pal,

I’ve been the rational one all along here, my posts show that. You’re the one going off the wagon like a whiny liberal, trying to toss in other issues to obscure what we’re specifically talking about.

In the Bible it talks about having dominion and STEWARDSHIP over animals, and it talks about being able to use animals as we see fit, but not to be CRUEL towards them. Proverbs 12:10 says: “A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.” Abandonment of a domestic animal in the wild is not a righteous act, it is cruel, because a domestic animal, which has total dependence on man, is not equipped to handle survival in the wild. Especially a domestic PREY animal.

You should also be aware that government is a necessary evil that God has given the power of the sword, to protect people from evildoers, to keep the peace, and administer justice. Read your bible. We need it to punish people who break the law, as individuals we do not have that power, so we need to have laws (made by the people and their representatives).

You’re crazy if you think the only things laws do is interfere with whatever the heck you want to do. Laws are necessary because people do not control themselves on their own. People don’t get to decide what is lawful or not on their own, there are laws everyone has to live by. Norms of what constitutes cruelty, neglect, abuse, etc. Otherwise we’re just living in anarchy and nothing is illegal because nobody has a common standard.


84 posted on 04/30/2009 9:52:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ResponseAbility; Salamander

How do you keep the govt out of it? When you have people who have 65 cats in a house & it is a breeding ground for germs & they aren’t caring for the cats? Or the people who chain a dog outside & don’t feed it & it is dying of thirst? Or the nuts who like to set cats on fire just for the fun of it? I don’t like the govt being too involved but there have to be some laws. I don’t like people who abuse animals at all & if I see it I tend to get involved. I guess it is because I’ve worked with animals so I see how abused they have been. I don’t think it is normal for a person to beat a dog,cat or horse to death or leave it to starve. I tend to think those kind of people are bound to have mental problems. I’ve read that children who abuse animals have a strong possibility toward being violent as adults. If there are no laws concerning the treatment of animals then who will stop the abuse of them?


86 posted on 04/30/2009 10:03:48 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (elected officials should be required to pass drug, alcohol & dementia testing)
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