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Secession and the Re-birth of America
Self | Friday April 17th 2009 | David Burgess

Posted on 04/16/2009 7:52:34 PM PDT by DCBurgess58

Texas Governor Rick Perry used the big "S" word at a TEA party in Austin on the 15th of April. Secession, the act of a state withdrawing from the United States. His comment was not a serious suggestion, but rather an implied threat. A little red meat for an audience who are sick and tired of seeing a bloated Federal Government wringing tax dollars out of citizens and mortgaging our children's future. Not to mention destroying the promise of America.

He is talking to an audience of the disenfrachised. Common citizens who believe that if we are to continue on this road, the United States of America WILL FAIL. The greatest and noblest attempt at creating a government of the people, by the people and for the people, will be relegated to the trash heap of history as an unworkable concept. In truth our failure will be due to leftist policies, which altered our system of government and then killed it off under the ensuing mountain of debt caused by those policies.

Of course the Republicans don't get off scott free on this issue either. The Republican party has become a lost cause as an antidote to the leftward push of this country. The GOP may grumble their dissent from the left's policies but there seem to be no leftist policies which the Republican party will not eventually adapt to and accept. There is no line in the sand which the left is forbidden to cross. There are however, many lines in the sand drawn by the left which the Republicans are unable to cross once the territory has been ceded. These policy shifts are strictly a one-way street (to be fair to the Republicans, however, the left has masterfully manipulated the Judiciary, declaring their policies "legal" and positions contrary to their policies "illegal").

Quite frankly, our country is like a car heading down a freeway, headed for a brick wall somewhere off in the distance. The driver has no intention of slowing down or turning off the road. In the back seat, a skinny passenger on the left keeps commenting on how much he hates this old car and how much nicer it would be to have a new car. A fat guy in the middle of the back seat seems oblivious to what is going on as he listens to his MP3 player and stares at the scenery flying by. A skinny guy on the right side of the back seat tries to tell the driver to slow down and take an exit from the freeway. Each time the skinny guy in the rear right side tries to talk though, the guy in the front passenger seat (The Press), talks loudly over him, disagreeing, criticizing, asking the skinny guy on the left for his opinion and ultimately mocking the skinny guy on the right, so that no one will hear what he is actually saying (The press wants to have a shiny new car too).

As far as analogies go, the car heading for the brick wall pretty well sums up the path our country is taking for me. I feel like that skinny guy in the right rear seat. I am totally disenfranchised in the United States. My vote means nothing. I can't elect anyone who can stop the destruction of America. Those in power are either driving our country to ruin or doing nothing to stop it. Aside from Fox news, AM radio, and some of the internet, the press has been taken over by the political left, to the point where it is virtually impossible to get any news which is not tainted by the editorialists of the left.

Rick Perry's talk of secession got me to thinking that breaking apart the United States is probably the only way of saving it. Imagine if all the "red states" seceeded from the United States. We would finally be able to fix the problems in our home states by starting over. Go back to the original concept that the founding fathers intended. Modify the areas which have been exploted to our country's detriment.

We could clarify that in the freedom of religion, that we are a Judeo Christian nation and that other religion's are allowed only on a basis of our toleration and subject to banning (hey, if the Muslims can ban us, what the heck, plus we could shut down those cults like Scientology). We could enshrine that there is no seperation of chuch and state, only a ban on the government having an official state religon (like the Anglican church in England). We could limit the press, just a bit, with reasonable constrants on them being politicized, publishing classified information and eliminate their ability to use "unnamed" sources. We could fix the judicial system by limiting their function to being an advisor to the legislative and executive branches, not their overlord, with their primary function being reverted to criminal and civil trials. We could restore the concept of State's Rights and limit the Federal Government to enumerated functions only. We could secure our borders, to include keeping undesirable elements from our former union OUT. We could restore the promise and freedom that has been taken from us. Most of all, we could leave the States that chose not to seceed with their DEBT!


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To: DCBurgess58

I’m not trying to be deprecatory, I’m interested in this.
These are questions that I’m not smart enough to answer.
But one thing I do know is that if someone decided to try this, a half-assed attempt would be far, far worse than no attempt at all.

Obviously you’d needto get candidates into office that would allow you to present your idea to the state, but how are you going to get them into office?
Maybe a statewide coalition of business owners?
Assuming the state voted your way, what then?
What would you do when the feds decided to burn down a city to make a point?

What little I know of our history leads me to believe that the revolution was not lead by a rag-tag band of spontaneous patriots, but was fairly well organized by a few wealthy, dedicated men.


21 posted on 04/16/2009 8:27:48 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Militant fecundity personified.)
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To: BobL

Step 5: Begin dismantling the welfare state inside of Texas.
Step 6: Accept applicants who want to move to Texas and can show just cause(Conservative)
Step 7: Invade Cuba -Establish democracy.
Step 8: Invade Venezuela -Establish democracy
Step 9: Increase Shiner Bock brewing capacity by 300%


22 posted on 04/16/2009 8:29:47 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: BobL

So step one...Where do we start with the details? Would we just need a certain amount of signatures? If so, somebody should have been working the tea parties! :-)
Would we need someone in the house to sponsor it?

It seems like Perry’s already backpedaling as fast as he can, and I doubt KBH would take up the cause.


23 posted on 04/16/2009 8:31:05 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Militant fecundity personified.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I think outright civil war, with the victors taking all is much more likely than a breakup.


24 posted on 04/16/2009 8:33:42 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: DCBurgess58

Why rewrite the Constitution? It is a great document.

The problem is we do not follow it. The Courts have been chipping at it all my life. The Legislature thinks they are Kings, and the Senate is terminally arrogant. Now the new inhabitant of the White House, is a arrogant Kenyan Commie.

What a mess.

But do not touch the Constitution. Simply through out the garbage we have representing us and running our government.


25 posted on 04/16/2009 8:34:00 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: DCBurgess58

I live/work in TX. People are talking a LOT about it in the coffee bars, including some execs.

I think it’s interesting how the media is downplaying and ridiculing Gov Perry’s comments. I even read one Dallas Morning Times article that asserted that the reporter had reviewed some Texas Library Archives asserting that there is no secession provision in Texas constitution. All I can say is that every person who is a product of Texas schools, KNOWS that Texas is the only state to be able to secede from the union. Anyone who has taken a TX History class and actually read the original TX Constitution has learned that.

While I would hope this would not happen, I fear that it is a very real and credible possibility. Water cooler talk is growing in support. I think Obama needs to really pay attention and run our country by appealing to ALL people instead of courting Democrat party favor at the expense of the common citizen (who earns less than $100K and could never afford to contribute to his campaign).


26 posted on 04/16/2009 8:34:32 PM PDT by tevens (Stable Environment for the child)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Legs, this isn’t about me, or how to do it, and it most certainly is not about taking up arms. It’s about a dialogue. I’m curious how many posts this thread will end up with. I’m hoping that we can get enough inertia to move the discussion on to other blogs, etc. etc.


27 posted on 04/16/2009 8:36:02 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: BobL

Step 10: Drill baby, drill
Step 11: Seal the border with Mexico
Step 12: End all “Affirmative Action”
Step 13: Ease pollution restrictions on cars and coal plants
Step 14: Make “Free Bird” the state song.
Step 15” Pay per view: the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders challenge Swedish Bikini team to a duel.


28 posted on 04/16/2009 8:36:24 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: DCBurgess58

I understand that, I’m trying to talk about it.
I guess I misunderstood.


29 posted on 04/16/2009 8:37:22 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Militant fecundity personified.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Why rewrite the Constitution? It is a great document.

Overall it is, but they screwed up BIG TIME in a few places. The ambiguities have been exploited to allow the courts to "reinterprit" it

30 posted on 04/16/2009 8:38:48 PM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: BobL

Want to see the economic impact of Texas. Look at this Job Loss Map.

http://www.slate.com/id/2216238/

Step through the months, amazing. Do you think Obozo can stand to lose Texas? H-no.

And he does not have enough Brown Shirts to conquer us either. Even though he hates everything we are.

He is a pitiful Lying Kenyan Commie.


31 posted on 04/16/2009 8:42:30 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: LongElegantLegs

“It seems like Perry’s already backpedaling as fast as he can, and I doubt KBH would take up the cause.”

Perry is a jerk. He most likely said what he did as a lark, in order to (finally) get some conservative support. The fact that he’s so out of touch with the state meant that he had no idea what he would unleash.

I am interested in what Kay has to say...she was up 20 points for the governorship but could lose it all by laughing off this movement.

But it is still early, as the effects of the meltdown have not yet been felt (i.e., it’s getting bad, but it is still just a recession). In another year, just about everyone running for office in Texas will have to take secession seriously.


32 posted on 04/16/2009 8:42:52 PM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: central_va

I covered most of these (and more) a couple of months ago, in anticipation of this day...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts


33 posted on 04/16/2009 8:45:33 PM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: DCBurgess58

If Texas goes a whole bunch more will follow. The only ones to stay behind will be California and the Northeast, except for New Hampshire. Lets see the Liberals support themselves without the producers!


34 posted on 04/16/2009 8:48:01 PM PDT by voveo
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To: LongElegantLegs

The technical procedure would be a vote with the current state Government staying intact for interim service, with new elections after whatever constitutional convention took place. If smaller states were to try this, they would be well advise to do so with other neighboring states as a region.


35 posted on 04/16/2009 8:48:13 PM PDT by neb52
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To: DCBurgess58

We should concentrate on the moral and practical reasons for secession. What it looks like and how to go about it comes later.


36 posted on 04/16/2009 8:49:44 PM PDT by ccruse456
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To: voveo

After a few years Texas will be asked for aid by New York and California as the Libs drain the resources.


37 posted on 04/16/2009 8:50:06 PM PDT by voveo
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To: ccruse456

“We should concentrate on the moral and practical reasons for secession. What it looks like and how to go about it comes later.”

Agree...once the people of the state are behind it, then the procedure will fall into place. Unfortunately, we still have some months to go...as most people still haven’t been crippled by job loss or sky-high inflation.


38 posted on 04/16/2009 8:52:21 PM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: BobL
I read your well written post. It's amazing we can use the word "secession" without the fear of being banned. That alone is a great step forward.

Your post didn't have the Dallas C-Boy Cheerleader vs. Swedish Bikini team event....

39 posted on 04/16/2009 8:52:24 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: BobL

Could some creative person(s) design the Republic of Texas Dollar Bill? Be nice to see a prototype.


40 posted on 04/16/2009 8:54:14 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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