Something like this perhaps, woven into a Medieval tapestry?
Posted on 04/13/2009 11:39:11 AM PDT by TaraP
A former engineer at the top secret airfield "Area 51" in Nevada has spoken out about UFO sightings in the region in the 1960s, saying the witnessed flashes of light were part of top secret US aircraft experiments.
In an interview with ABC News, Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, a former special-projects engineer at Area 51 said: "No one really knew we existed. Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."
Barnes was an electronics engineer for NASA who also specialised in advance radar and Soviet MiG fighter aircraft and was asked to join a team of CIA experts who would work on secret military projects at the infamous base.
UFO folklore has it that Area 51, about 80 miles north northwest of Las Vegas, is where captured aliens and their spacecraft have been stored by the US military. The conspiracy theory comes in part because of the preponderance of strange, unaccounted for lights that have been seen in the region of the top secret military base.
However Barnes poured cold water on the theory saying the "alien spaceships" were in fact light flashes from top secret spy planes being flown at 2,000 miles per hour at altitudes of 90,000 feet.
The experimental planes produced light flashes that some interpreted as alien spaceships and this was considered helpful by the team in covering their activities.
"We considered it to be a bonus," said Barnes. "They made it easier to conceal what we were doing."
However some ufologists have said the area has only been partly declassified and UFO work at the base may well have carried out though in a region unknown to engineers such as Barnes.
"Those guys who came forward may very well be telling the truth, with the caveat that they wouldn't know if there was something going on," said Stanton T. Friedman, a nuclear physicist, lecturer and top UFO researcher.
Friedman added that evidence coming out of places such as Area 51 proved how much was going on in the country without peoples' knowledge.
"National security has a real place in all of this stuff. There is no way to tell your friends without telling your enemies," he said. "A lot of Americans woke up to the fact that there's a lot going on that they don't get told about."
Wow. That’s amazing. Somebody gives the phenomenon a name, in this case U.F.O., and suddenly it is only part of the century the name came from?
Under the same logic, I suppose Hope and Change is also fresh and new, and un-heard of prior to the 21st century? And you folks think UFO people are gullible or diluded?
I don’t know how much of Corso’s book to assume is fact.
However, my relative who worked in the area asserted that most of it was fact . . . whatever that means.
LOL, I will take that criticism. I have yet to be proven wrong on the topic, and with all of the the whacknuts claiming all this UFO crap and space-aien silliness is real, not one person could ever prove it is, and there have been millions of debunkings.
It’s amazing how nasty the idiots who run around slamming every “naysayer” can be when their team is approximately zero for a million at-bats. If I were on a team with a 100% perfect losing record, I don’t think I’d be so quick to criticize people, especially in the really nasty tone some of the whacknut UFO believers do.
I’ll give the whacknuts this, though, they do have some serious tenacity. And some serious temerity to call “naysayers” negative stuff when they hae absolutely no leg to stand on. Congrats to the perfect failures.
It’s been some years since I read it, but their were a number of technical gaffes that I had seen that convinced me Corso pulled a LOT of his “work” out of his butt.
We ufologists have to be very picky with what we hold onto as data, or you can get caught running down a million bunny trails, most leading away from what we hope to find.
NOT AT ALL
You know . . . ignorance is really a very poor platform to try and discuss the topic from.
More than a few of the early artistic renderings of the UFO’s are virtually carbon copies of some of the modern photos and drawings.
Oh, I realize that you think your ignorance trumps ALLLL the evidence.
And you can color the 150+ members of the UFO ping list as
bowing down scraping IMPRESSED with your thought processes!
ROTFLOL.
INDEED.
You’re nuts. Get help.
Were you by any chance the playgroud name calling champion of your neighborhood when you were a child? You're still very good at it.
I realize I’m the psychologist . . . still . . .
I remain somewhat mystified . . .
WHAT DO YOU think are the main reasons
naysayers descend on such threads with this mindless compulsion to throw very silly ignorant rocks at the topic???
The entities we now call Shockley, Brattain, and Bardeen were aliens sent here to give us the transistor. Say their names over and over and the alien origins become clear.
They later went back and changed the records to make it look like silicon was “discovered” in 1824 by Berzelius. Berzelius was a human but never got silicon into its critical crystalline shape. Deville is claimed to have done that in 1845, but there is no way simple Earth technology could have done that. It’s not until 1947 that humans learned of pure crystalline silicon, meaning we no longer had to mine it.
Humans recently abandoned pure silicon and started using Germanium and Germanium alloys, because only with SiGe HEMPT devices can gigahertz frequencies be easily managed. Cell Phone technology could not have been developed with purely silicon.
It doesn't matter if they called them “UFO’s” or “dancing disco lights” or “weird lights in the sky”.
The simple fact is that the modern “UFO sighting” is based upon a modern mindset of extra-terrestrial life and technological means of motility.
There is simply nothing previous to humanity knowing of this possibility that compares in essential details.
If there was an ancient scroll talking about such a sighting, with a picture of a “gray” as described by many in the modern age, and a drawing of a lighted up disco disk; I would concede that there may well be such things visiting us, and that they probably have for a long time.
But that is simply not the case.
In the mystical age the sightings of the unknown being from elsewhere was mystical.
In the technological age the sightings of the unknown being from elsewhere is technological.
Why the change?
Something like this perhaps, woven into a Medieval tapestry?
I guess it’s pretty typical Quix, coming from the quick witted einsteins we have on this thread...Yikes!
It actually was in invented in 1925. Bell Labs improved on the design but it was mostly based on the 1925 model.
The guy Corso or Corsi who wrote the book made a lot of money on book sales.
He might not be a whack job but he definitely got whack jobs to buy his book.
Actually, it is the naysayers who are the losers.
There are at least now 4,000 trace landing cases with scientific verification.
Many of the ‘famous’ naysayer ‘debunking’ junk is illogical; unfactual and clearly a disinfo exercise.
It’s now widely accepted that Sagan was a paid government shill debunker.
Naysayers’ addictions to TYPE II ERROR consequences in their blind, rigid, narrow, unthinking fleeing from a TYPE I ERROR straight into the lap of a GREATLY THEN MORE LIKELY, VIRTUALLY CERTIN TYPE II ERROR are most illogical, irrational, silly.
NO NAYSAYER HEREON HAS EVER HAD A REMOTELY FITTING OR STATISTICALLY ACCURATE RESPONSE TO THAT ISSUE. It’s a simple demonstrative fact. And naysayers come out persistently and ignorantly pontificating in ways that merely continue to deepen that fact.
BTW, I think you’ve been proven wrong on the topic multiple times.
It’s just that whenever a proof gets too troublesome to bear, the naysayer shucks and jives, slips and slides, throws personally assaultive and insulting rocks and runs and hides.
REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY IMPRESSIVE, THAT.
No naysayer hereon has ever made even a slight dent in the now 4,000 cases of landings that have left scientifically measureable trace evidences in the environment.
I actually think that the naysayers need to be composing their “mea culpa, awwww shucks we were WRONG!” speeches. The traitorous globalist oligarchy and the ET critters seem to be ramping up more and more rapidly, more and more overtly toward public disclosure.
Well, let me put it this way:
I don’t go where Quix goes a lot of the time, nor apparently TaraP, but I respect the search. In Quix’s case, he has a lot of raw and processed data to fall back on, and that earns my respect all by itself.
For my part, I’m an engineer, and work on our nation’s spaceships. I see some fairly high technology items, and some things that aren’t high-tech in themselves but rather are innovative approaches to apply ideas we’ve had in use for years. As I watch the development process, it is not hard for me to see that we will have the abilities that are ascribed to UFO’s someday.
(There are actually some pretty smart egghead-types working on credible Faster-than-light theories. Google ‘Alcubierre’.)
You may not agree with the way things are presented, or some of the religious links that some people make, but you chould look past all that with a logical eye. There is a lot to be seen. In a logical view, the idea of aliens, interstellar travel, and many other things are a matter of escalating technological progress. That’s all it really boils down to.
Friedman frequently points out one thing that, based on my own witness to the march of technology, makes perfect sense: What are the possibilities for technology for a race that is perhaps a million years older than we are, and how many races like that exist?
Personally, I think it will take us FAR less than a million years to have interstellar travel, including FTL.
Do you believe in God? If you do, provide proof that God exists. If you can't, then using your reasoning, that would mean that God doesn't exist, and that anybody who believes in God is a "whacknut". Atheists have claimed for centuries that God doesn't exist and so far nobody has proven them wrong.
What makes you think any Government Agency would reveal contact they might of had with Alien Technology???
Would that not be a Security Risk?????
A bit more here...
The first objective in the military recovery of foreign vehicles is to examine the vehicle for new and advanced technology with a view toward reproducing that technology through devising methods of fabrication and manufacturing.
If this technology comes from another off-world culture, the objective has an even higher priority as such a culture has demonstrated a feat beyond the capability of our own technology. The military thinking on this is to treat such incursions by alien technology as possibly hostile and a threat to our national and global security.
We must act to even the odds as soon as possible to develop counter-measures to a possible military threat to our systems of defense. This is why reverse engineering becomes imperative.
Some of the systems that would be studied include:
• The energy or fuel the spacecraft uses for power
• The propulsion system
• The navigation system
• The information system(s)
• The life-support systems
• The communication systems
• The weapon systems
In addition to these systems, the actual material structure of the spacecraft would be studied. If the aliens were found wearing flight suits, a study would be made of the material and methods of fabrication. If the spacecraft were able to defend itself through high-speed aerobatic maneuvering or using defensive shields or counter-measures, an assessment of these capabilities would be of prime importance. The study would have to eventually extend into other scientific fields to obtain a broader picture of the alien’s origin and mission, which would include autopsies of alien bodies and a profiling of the alien psychology and motivation. In fact, every clever way that you could think of would be used to study the alien and the technology. And all of this would have to be conducted in utmost secrecy so as to maintain a decided advantage in the scheme of things in the global political arena.
I’m aware of the arguments about the transistor.
Some few sources insist that there were UFO contacts in the 1920’s and 30’s.
Corso was no whackjob. How much of his stuff was disinfo, I don’t know. I’m convinced a significant portion of it was true.
Reportedly fiber optics were a result of the crash retrievals.
Interestingly Lucent is now in charge of the labs . . .
Lucent . . . Lucifer . . . some folks insist there’s a connection.
Wow lots of name calling, lots of shouting, lots of waving around a list, and not one single attempt to show any evidence. Where are these “4000 trace landing cases with scientific verification”? Don’t just insist they exist, show some proof.
This threads real funny because the true believers are doing everything they insist the doubter are doing: insults, and a lack of research all in defense of an iron closed mind. No true believer hereon has had a remotely fitting or statistically accurate issue to respond to.
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