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Mother, daughter attacked by pit bulls
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Posted on 04/12/2009 10:58:48 PM PDT by Chet 99
Published: April 12, 2009 10:36 pm
Mother, daughter attacked by pit bulls
By Robert Barron, Staff Writer
Three pit bulls were impounded Saturday after they attacked a woman and her 2-year-old daughter.
Sgt. Eric Reddick said 41-year-old Rhonda Morgan was in her front yard with her 2-year-old daughter. Morgan told police later she was afraid to go into the back yard because the pit bulls next door tried to jump the fence.
Morgan saw two pit bulls charging at her daughter and ran to pick her up. She picked the girl up and bent at her waist to protect her. The dogs mauled the woman and tried to get to the girl. Morgan kicked at the dogs and they were joined by a third pit bull. Neighbors saw the incident and grabbed a rake and a shovel and came to help Morgan when an Enid police car drove by and was flagged down. The officer saw the incident and turned on lights and siren to try to drive the dogs away. The dogs ran in different directions, but all three were recovered by animal control and impounded for observation. The dogs belonged to two separate owners and seven charges ranging from vicious dogs, unlicensed dogs and animals at large were filed.
Morgan and her daughter were taken to Integris Bass Baptist Health Center for treatment. Two wounds also were found on the girl. Reddick said police will discuss further action against the dogs with Enid city legal department. Reddick said they will seek to determine if the dogs can be destroyed.
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To: HossB86
What? BAD analogy to start. Guns do not have instinctthey cannot get loose and run around maiming and killing. Pit Bulls can, and do. Im a dog lover but NO ONE needs a Pit Bull they are truly dangerous. Flame on... Hoss
Read carefully and you will see that while I am a fan of "war dogs" and have owned plenty, for lack of a better term, dogs that were specifically bred throughout history to guard / attack humans or hunt large dangerous animals, I am even more in favor of Draconian laws coming down hard on irresponsible owners.
Yes, certain dogs, if allowed to do so, can "hunt" and horribly maim or kill humans and many other animal species - of that there is no argument. It has happened before and it will happen again. Dogs are simply modified wolves. Predators. And boy do we love our dogs!
Until we get rid of Liberals - society will never have true freedom and the true personal responsibility that comes with true freedom.
Liberals use your specific argument about guns; "No one needs a gun! That's what police and the military are for!".
It is never the object - it is always the person using or owning the object. Lets keep the focus on personal responsibility. If someone can demonstrate they are able to contain a dangerous animal - why shouldn't they be able to own it as long as they sign a document that says if the animal gets loose and kills or maims someone then the owner agrees that he, or she, shall be equally killed or maimed by the same method?
This is true freedom. This is true justice. This is true personal responsibility and puts an end to excuses on all sides.
Then, wannabe's who own these breeds just for their ego would think twice or simply would not qualify to own one and only true professionals, and/or the wealthy would own them. Everyone wins.
Bottom line - poor people should not own large breeds that are known for attacks if they do not have the insurance money to back it up and also expensive fencing.
Laws could be enacted that require double or triple fencing specified by building code and inspected before approval, buried six feet deep with concrete aprons, 10 feet high with razor wire, triple locked gates with alarms that dial into the police station if left open, etc. Invisible fence shock collars that deliver a knock-out shock should the animal break through the final barrier (far more than what is sold commercially), GPS tracking, etc. In other words, basically Club Gitmo for Brutus.
The laws could be enhanced to where police or any citizen has the right to immediately execute your dog on the spot no questions asked, should they so choose, the second it crosses your property line off a leash - and then you get billed for the round expended and any cleanup/disposal costs involved.
Hey, got a million dollars to spend on containment? Great! Own all the killer dogs you want!
THAT is true personal responsibility. THAT is truly accepting the consequences of your actions - or failure to act.
Likewise those doing the shooting better know what they are doing. Should they "accidentally" shoot someone, then they are to be shot with exactly the same weapon in the same general location. If they die, tough. If the shooter accidentally kills someone shooting a dog that was not attacking someone - then the shooter should be put to death. Sorry, total freedom = tough love. In this way we slowly rid the gene pool of idiots - to the extent possible - over time.
In other words - there are ways to allow people who REALLY want to own dangerous animals - to own one. Dangerous could be specified by weight or bite force or another method but the bottom line shall always be the owner is responsible regardless of the weight or bite force. The only thing standing in the way of true freedom and true personal responsibility are mealy mouthed excuses "well that's too expensive". "That's not practical and it is inconvenient for me". "That is cruel". "that is too Draconian". "You are discriminating against poor people". So?
If someone breaks into a home or trespasses and has to climb several fences and pass by many warning signs to do so and is then torn asunder by attack dogs - in that case the owner should be held harmless and given a medal.
I will agree that guns are far safer than large dogs as guns are simply an inert assembly of metal, wood and or/plastic. But people should be allowed to have them as long as they are willing to accept TOTAL responsibility. And not just mouth the words like 99.99% of people do - but actually accept the financial responsibility to keep the animal contained and the consequences of an eye for an eye if it gets out and kills someone. No excuses, no "but it was just an accident" pleas.
Gun owners should not be held liable if someone steals their guns. On the other hand, the laws need to be changed to where anyone who steals guns from a private citizen should be put to death - no excuse. And that includes any government official who would seek to infringe upon a citizens right to keep and bear arms. I don't see a down side to that concept. That way, you are more free to store your guns as you see fit. Always about freedom.
Same thing should go for zoos. If zoos are not willing to accept personal responsibility and guarantee 100% that the animal won't get out and if it does and hurts people, then those responsible shall greatly suffer - then zoos should not be allowed to keep said animal. Either do it right, or don't do it at all. If we can land men on the moon we can build containment systems that will 100% guarantee animals won't escape by incorporating very expensive redundancy. Want to play? Then pay.
Problem is, most people and most institutions want to do things for minimal cost and do them half-assed.
Even if it means maintaining an expensive armed guard force 24/7, it can be done. Hey, never said it had to be practical or cheap to own one. Just said that it CAN be done safely, if there is sufficient will to do so. If you want to own one bad enough and got the money to do so - have at it! That's responsible freedom.
The real issue is money and convenience. People don't want to be inconvenienced or want to spend the money required to actually do 100% personal responsibility.
In other words, most people want total freedom to do whatever they want - without an ounce of personal responsibility. Most people want total freedom without any complications. Enforcing personal responsibility can be complicated, can be expensive, inconvenient, and excuses always abound.
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posted on
04/13/2009 9:57:53 AM PDT
by
FTL
To: USMCWife6869; devolve
Thanks for taking over the ping USMCWife6869. I think I’ll refrain from posting on certain threads.
82
posted on
04/13/2009 10:21:50 AM PDT
by
potlatch
(A burden shared gets lighter)
To: Salamander
Are those Pharaoh hounds you own, or Ibizan hounds?
I would love to see one in person someday, they are SO beautiful.
My pb-mix needs his exercises, pulling and carrying as well. It keeps him happy and calm, and makes it possible for him to live inside with us.
Now if I could just do something about getting hit in the shins with his hard, heavy tail...
83
posted on
04/13/2009 10:25:59 AM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
(Militant fecundity personified.)
To: LongElegantLegs
They’re Ibizan Hounds.
[or in their native language, “Podenco Ibicenco” which is Spanish for “psycho-twits with no brains who only live to run and hunt”]....:)
Yeah...they’re beautiful alright but after dealing with their semi-feral idiosyncrasies and outright craziness for 20 years, I’m in the mood for ~brains~.....;D
I had the loveliest little PB mix I got from a shelter in ‘92.
She was red so I named her Rowan.
She’d lived on a 2 foot chain and was gang raped by many dogs.
She had 8 puppies, not a one of which looked like another.
Sadly, they all died from hookworms soon after the shelter got them and she looked like death, walking, herself.
In spite of her cruel life, starvation and deprivation, she was the softest, most gentle little dog I ever had.
She was so polite and submissive that she’d slooooowly crawl up near me on the sofa, lie there for a while, just looking at me and then ever-so-gently reach over with her little paw and lightly touch me, to see if it was “okay” for her to be there.
She never held a grudge against humans and seemed very grateful for her new life.
I still miss her sweet little gargoyle face.
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posted on
04/13/2009 10:41:07 AM PDT
by
Salamander
(Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.......)
To: the OlLine Rebel
"The real problem with PBTs is they tend to latch on and not let it go, as most terriers are wont to do. Thus, they do more damage than most others, who bite and are done with it, rather than hanging on as if their own lives depended on it. See my post #28 here about a PBT attack on a horse I witnessed: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2179835/posts
It was surreal watching a 65 lb animal attack a 1,000 lb animal with such conviction and ferocity. A zebra is a horse and can kill a lion with a good kick. The punishment the PBT took without so much as a yelp was absolutely shocking and I probably wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it with my own eyes.
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posted on
04/13/2009 11:05:32 AM PDT
by
uncommonsense
(liberals see what they believe and conservatives believe what they see)
To: BruceysMom
It is about human responsibility but there is more to it with pit bulls. There is a breed difference. Pit bull owners who I have asked about it tell me there is.
Specifically they tell me the problem is that these dogs, after hitting sexual maturity, are generally known to be more aggressive towards other dogs and the “unpredictability” of them going off on another dog or people is noticeably increasned. They also say that getting them spayed or neutered will reduce this (as with all dogs and other animals) because it stems largely from the fact the higher levels of hormones make this kind of thing have a much higher chance of happening.
But it is clear that time and again, we get these stories about pit bulls in particular, and the same kinds of circumstances happening again and again. Generally it’s either someone else’s dog seeking out someone/something to attack out of nowhere, or it’s ‘the family dog’ that ‘never did it before’, nobody ever imagined the dog could do this, and a family member is seriously mauled or dead.
86
posted on
04/13/2009 11:11:34 AM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
(I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
To: LongElegantLegs
It was good enough for Drew Carey.
87
posted on
04/13/2009 11:13:16 AM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
(I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
To: the OlLine Rebel; Salamander
If you die, your dog will guard you body till it turns to dust.
Your cat will wait till you’re *almost* cold, and then eat you.
88
posted on
04/13/2009 11:26:49 AM PDT
by
shibumi
(" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
To: shibumi
This a monument to Rollo, who laid on his master's grave for years, in spite of the townspeople's attempts to take him away to a good home.
They wound up just feeding and watering him, year after year, until finally, he joined his beloved master.

No one puts flowers on the man's grave any more but Rollo *always* has at least a single rose placed lovingly beside him.
His head is worn smooth from all the visitors who "pat the faithful dog".
Semper Fidelis, indeed.
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posted on
04/13/2009 11:39:52 AM PDT
by
Salamander
(Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.......)
To: shibumi
So what. You’re dead. Not that I believe those stories either way.
Meanwhile, dogs of all kinds will deliberately attack you. Too many romantic dog lovers and not enough realistic dog respecters. That’s the source of alot of our problems, in fact.
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posted on
04/13/2009 2:38:47 PM PDT
by
the OlLine Rebel
(Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
To: Salamander
I’ve seen this many times. And I’ve bookmarked it the last time someone showed it.
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posted on
04/13/2009 2:40:28 PM PDT
by
the OlLine Rebel
(Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
To: the OlLine Rebel; Salamander
"So what. Youre dead. Not that I believe those stories either way."
You may not believe it, but I know for a fact that it's true.
Good to know how you feel about the worth of your body after death. When you go it's off to the Soylent Green plant for you!
By the way, one does not have a dog like Major (linebred from a Sieger VA1 SchH3) without having a great deal of respect for what they can and cannot do:
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posted on
04/13/2009 3:17:38 PM PDT
by
shibumi
(" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
To: shibumi
93
posted on
04/13/2009 3:36:56 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
(Militant fecundity personified.)
To: Salamander
I saw that in the Rose Hill Cem in Hagerstown! (I’m a graveyard nut; www.cpmbs.org)
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posted on
04/13/2009 3:37:47 PM PDT
by
the OlLine Rebel
(Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
To: LongElegantLegs
He thanks you!
(He knows when I’m talking about him, even if I’m typing it out!)
95
posted on
04/13/2009 3:40:22 PM PDT
by
shibumi
(" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
To: shibumi
The smart ones always do!
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posted on
04/13/2009 3:43:14 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
(Militant fecundity personified.)
To: shibumi
That’s funny. As I just posted prior to this, I am a graveyard nut, so am very interested in preserving gravesites. That means - bodies. Also, I’m a German Shepherd nut, who thinks there is no possible way for any breed to be greater.
But still, the fact remains, you are dead, and your soul counts much more than your body.
And more important, I’d rather deal with an animal more respectful of my live body than of my dead. Dead is moot.
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posted on
04/13/2009 3:44:57 PM PDT
by
the OlLine Rebel
(Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
To: potlatch
.
Yup - They cannot be changed
98
posted on
04/13/2009 3:49:41 PM PDT
by
devolve
( - - - - - - - - - - - - - It is just another Pansy Scheme! - - -)
To: devolve
Thus the turnover in those who ping the “Doggie Ping”...
99
posted on
04/13/2009 3:52:49 PM PDT
by
potlatch
(A burden shared gets lighter)
To: potlatch
Thus the turnover in those who ping the Doggie Ping... Newbies don't care about that.
Used to be a warning in the FR homepage
stating that FR was not a Pitbull site.
Since Aug of '08 we've been inundated by a fanatic's postings.
His 'conservative' solution is to put them in zoos.
Normally I'd ping the responsible dog ownership list to these type of threads
but it's getting to the point where I'm fed up giving
the attention whore posting them the satisfaction.
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posted on
04/13/2009 4:14:21 PM PDT
by
kanawa
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