Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.
With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.
(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...
Been to Durham or New Orleans lately?
I'll take either one of them over Newark or Detroit.
BTW, you didn't answer my question from post#852: "In light of Obama and the dems stomping all over the Constitution and the impending era of European socialism being forced on US citizens, do you still believe that the Union must be held together at all cost (as you have stated in past threads) even if the price is freedom? "
And you're welcome to them. Just don't try and pretend that urban hell-holes are a strictly Northern phenomena.
BTW, you didn't answer my question from post#852:
No I didn't, did I?
RACIST!!!!!! ;-)
northern urban hell-holes are an order of magnitude worse than the Southern variety because the northern varieties are filled with damnyankees.
No I didn't, did I?
Soooo, based on your previous postings, it's safe to say that you would sacrifice your/our freedom to preserve the union.
Just for the record so that everybody here knows why you are such a bitter Reb basher:
You hate Rebs because they were/are willing to dissolve ties with a union that would would/will eliminate constitutional rights and freedom because the maintaining the union is more important to you than your/our freedom.
Of course they are.
Soooo, based on your previous postings, it's safe to say that you would sacrifice your/our freedom to preserve the union.
I would not be surprised if you stumbled to that conclusion, given the inaccuracies of your past posts.
Just for the record so that everybody here knows why you are such a bitter Reb basher...
Will you also explain why you are such a pathological Yankee hater? Did one bite you as a child or something?
Not at all. Just giving examples of that diversity you have such a dislike for.
Not at all. Just giving examples of that diversity you have such a dislike for.
You responded: Not at all. Just giving examples of that diversity you have such a dislike for.
Oh, I don't think it's racist at all to point out that New Orleans and Durham are dumps. That's why I put the little winky smile up there. It's not racist at all for you to point out that these cities are bad news.
However, it is a bit hypocritical.
My exchange with NS made it very clear that he has no interest in having a fact based conversation. I won’t waste anymore time with him.
I learned that lesson too. I tried to have a debate but I learned it was all a waste of time.
I just don’t read his/her posts anymore and even though for some reason the poster still keeps replying to me I just ignore them.
I’ve said what I’ve wanted to say about it in past posts.
But that hadn't happened yet when orderly Confederate recruiting would have come to an end in Chattooga County except for irregular "join or die" recruitment by irregular forces passing through.
If I'm not mistaken, Chattooga like almost all of upland North Georgia, was solidly against secession. States rights and the defense of homeland roused some volunteers at the first of the war but the region boasted a massive determent rate by the end of the war. I suspect your ancestor was rightly proud he survived the hardships and dangers war but I strongly doubt he had much strong feeling for the Confederacy.
What regiment did your ancestor serve in?
I know what you mean. And it's hard not sympathize with fans of the CSA when they're subjected to unfocused, broad-brush, knucklehead attacks by the likes of Tyrone Brooks, but the Lincoln was a tyrant nonsense tends to dry up the reservoir of goodwill pretty quickly.
Sherman's troops were looting and plundering long before 1865. Here's a note by Sherman in the Official Records from August 4, 1863:
The amount of burning, stealing, and plundering done by our army makes me ashamed of it. I would quit the service if I could, because I fear that we are drifting to the worst sort of vandalism. I have endeavored to repress this class of crime, but you know how difficult it is to fix the guilt among the great mass of an army. In this case I caught the man in the act. He is acquitted because his superior officer ordered. it. The superior officer is acquitted because, I suppose, he had not set the fire with his own hands, and thus you and I and every commander must go through the war justly chargeable with crimes at which we blush.
You think Northern Georgia was spared this kind of behavior? Sherman burned Rome and Atlanta and various points south and continued this behavior east into SC. He ordered his generals to fire their cannons at civilian houses in Atlanta. All of my wife's war-time ancestors lived in his path in Georgia, and 100 years after the war her parents hated Sherman (and Yankees in general) with a passion I couldn't believe. A sister-in-law's grandmother was forbidden to speak to Yankees when she was growing up after the war.
Here is an admission by General Jacob D. Cox, one of Sherman's generals who accompanied Sherman in the Atlanta campaign [from Sherman's March to the Sea, by General Jacob D. Cox, page 40, paperback version]:
Discipline in armies, however, is apt to be uneven, and among sixty thousand men there are men enough who are willing to become robbers, and officers enough who are willing to wink at irregularities or to share the loot, to make such a march a terrible scourge to any country. A bad eminence in this respect was generally accorded to Kilpatrick, whose notorious immoralities and rapacity set so demoralizing an example to his troops that the best disciplinarians among his subordinates could only mitigate its influence.
Sorry, I don't know my ancestor's unit. My mother was a professional genealogist, and she discovered his CSA service and his picture (he was her ancestor). Unfortunately, she passed away a few months ago, and her files are a jumble.
I'll readily concede your point that there are some vicious things said about Lincoln and others by Dixie supporters, and you're entitled to respond to them. But that has nothing to do with the issue of sacrificing Confederate ancestry and honor to Political Correctness. What is your opinion on issues such as those above?
And I certainly don't have any problem with Confederate flags flying with US flags over battlefields, cemeteries and graves. If it's just a rebel flag flying over a public monument that could be a problem.
But why does Southern heritage so often come down to four years when Southerners fought Northerners? Isn't the Confederacy too narrow a definition for the South?
Is it really a question of the focus at Gettysburg being put on slavery, or just of slavery getting more attention? When I was there years ago as a child, there was a picture of slaves that you couldn't miss, but there was the usual "Some people say the war was about slavery. Others talk about state's rights ..."
But however they handle the beginning of the war, I can't imagine that lecturing about slavery is really going to displace what happened on those three days in July 1863 in the displays and tours.
I unlike many people of “color” study history...If we study the men who fought~ Nathan Forrest vs Sherman can you point me to ONE kind thing Sherman said regarding “us”? I however KNOW than General Forrest Said that the Slaves that served with him “no braver or better ever served” or something along them lines.
Now let's look at this slavery and war issue..Do we want to be sent back to Africa? Lincoln used us like “tools” or do we stay? Hmm tough choice!
I know I'm of the few but it's the truth
Let's see them take my flag! Y'all know my friends boy was told not to wear his Battle flag T-shirt by his school!It was to my delight to help in this matter..Placed a phone call to the school..The lady called me a racist? Boy ole Boy y'all should of seen her face when a “oppressed colored” showed up!!!!
You must listen to Mike Lang.
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