"Wait a tic...blimey...this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought."
Posted on 03/14/2009 7:48:20 AM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
>>> Er no, and nowhere did I suggest that all partisans were Soviet backed Communists, but a heck of a lot of them were and the victims of such people might not share your peculiarly starry eyed view of those men’s activities. <<<
The problem here is vagueness. Even if one could quantify who was “Soviet backed,” to be supported by the Soviets then doesn’t entail that the anti-Nazi guerillas or partisans were doctrinaire Communists. The US was giving a heck of a lot of material and tech support to the Soviets and the Red Army for much of the war. Did this make the Reds “US backed capitalists”?
The fellow-countrymen of those Polish and other victims might wonder in amazement at someone who strains at the gnat of de-contextualized and unquantified “partisan banditry” and yet seems to brush off the murderous and brutal Nazi enslavement of their countries as the mere presence of “German lines.”
You remember the Nazis, don’t you? The genocidal nutjobs the Allies and the partisans were fighting against?
Let’s look at the relevant part of your original post:
>>> Something similar occurs when we read about the “partisans” behind German lines in Poland and Soviet territory, despite them being painted today as heroic figures for many people they were nothing more than bandits killing and stealing according to their own ideologies. <<<
Once again, to paint with a broad brush (without any quantification or qualification) these partisan and guerilla activities as those of “bandits” who killed and stole according to an ideology (which one?) is slander pure and simple. That you place it in the mouths of an anonymous “many people” doesn’t make it any less offensive.
Yep, and not in Latin.
"Wait a tic...blimey...this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought."
If you are trying to allege that I am in some way pro-Nazi then you’re an idiot.
The fact remains that many partisans were pro-Soviet bandits who lived by thuggery and murder and who robbed and killed people who were not Nazis but who were nationalists who did not want to be ruled by Russian backed Stalinist thugs.
After the war many of these bandits (and I make no apologies for the term) were rewarded by the Soviets for their part in helping to impose Communist rule on brave patriots who resisted foreign occupation by German National Socialists or Russian International Socialist.
If you wish to believe Russian propaganda about these Soviet stooges that is your problem, not mine.
>>> If you are trying to allege that I am in some way pro-Nazi then you’re an idiot. <<<
No, I just think that your post was poorly reasoned and slanderous. I’m not a mind-reader, and cannot guess as to why you would bring up the question of WWII partisans in a thread on Robin Hood. The connection between the two exists, but is not obvious.
>>> The fact remains that many partisans were pro-Soviet bandits who lived by thuggery and murder and who robbed and killed people who were not Nazis but who were nationalists who did not want to be ruled by Russian backed Stalinist thugs. <<<
The fact remains that you make unsubstantiated slanders when you label not a few, or some, but “many” WWII anti-Nazi partisans as being murderous and thieving pro-SovCom bandits.
>>> After the war many of these bandits (and I make no apologies for the term) were rewarded by the Soviets for their part in helping to impose Communist rule on brave patriots who resisted foreign occupation by German National Socialists or Russian International Socialist. <<<
What is this? “Many” of the “many” bandits? Once again, you make specific accusations against nebulously defined persons and groups, and yet you expect readers to take you seriously?
>>> If you wish to believe Russian propaganda about these Soviet stooges that is your problem, not mine. <<<
Unfortunately, when you post undocumented and ill-defined slanders against people who courageously fought against Nazi scum, you make it the problem of everyone here on _Free Republic_.
Hood not so good? Ancient Brits questioned outlaw
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Posted on 03/14/2009 11:16:04 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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I see several possibilities for Robin Hood:
1. He was what the legend said he was; a tax rebel.
2. He was a common bandit who kept most of what he stole and bought off the locals so they wouldn’t turn him in.
3. He was an invention by the peasants who wished to have such a hero.
4. He was invented by the local officials to have someone to blame a “robbery” on so they could pocket some cash for themselves.
If you are incapable of differentiating between genuine patriots who fought for the liberty of their nations from Nazi tyranny and Soviet backed thugs who used the opportunity of German National Socialist occupation in order to impose Russian International Socialist occupation then you are a fool who has no concept of history.
If two slave owners fight over ownership of a slave it is hardly the business of the slave to take sides but to fight for his liberty from both tyrants.
The various candidates for the supposedly historical Robin Hood have only tenuous documentation (or non-existent) and lived over a period of two or three centuries. He’s probably a literary invention, which isn’t to say that there were no rural gangs of outlaw robbers operating in medieval England. :’) If there hadn’t been, poof, no Magna Carta. ;’)
Of course I have no documentation at all for my ancestors who lived in England in the 14th century, but I'm pretty sure they existed. I exist, after all.
Maybe we should be inventing some outlaw gangs of robbers of our own. I have a feeling we might need another Magna Carta soon.
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