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Cheers!
1 posted on 03/11/2009 8:20:34 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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Like, *PING*, dudes.
2 posted on 03/11/2009 8:21:12 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
How do you observe quantum mechanics, atomic and sub-atomic systems that are so small-scale they cannot be described in classical terms, when the act of looking at them changes them permanently?

Put 'em on Olbermann's show. Nobody's watching that.

3 posted on 03/11/2009 8:26:49 PM PDT by JennysCool (Ted Kennedy has a Knighthood. Patrick Macnee does not. Go figure.)
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To: grey_whiskers

HUm.

Did you see that?

Nope? Did you? Nope.


4 posted on 03/11/2009 8:27:27 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: grey_whiskers

I’ll have to read the paper. The article is very poorly worded.


5 posted on 03/11/2009 8:28:16 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: grey_whiskers
Action at a distance?

Yeah.

zer0bama proposes some new fascist scheme in Washington DC ...

And in New York, the DJIA drops another 350 points ...

Spooky.

6 posted on 03/11/2009 8:29:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: grey_whiskers

bookmark


8 posted on 03/11/2009 8:36:43 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: grey_whiskers

bump


12 posted on 03/11/2009 8:39:24 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: grey_whiskers

Interesting that a quantum system can go back to its earlier, uncollapsed state after the measurement influence is removed. It goes “back in time” and again occupies all possible locations/modes (think I read that in a different paper referenced in the sidebar).


16 posted on 03/11/2009 9:00:59 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


17 posted on 03/11/2009 9:01:44 PM PDT by IYellAtMyTV (Workday Forecast--Increasing pressure towards afternoon. Rum likely by evening.)
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To: grey_whiskers

“they used a measurement technique that has an almost imperceptible impact on the experiment”

Almost imperceptible. If one observes, it changes the results. So we only peeked at the particles and it didn’t matter? Werner Heisenberg has a few things to say about that.


19 posted on 03/11/2009 9:08:32 PM PDT by voveo
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To: grey_whiskers

Stan and Ollie’s Paradox?


24 posted on 03/12/2009 12:19:00 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: grey_whiskers

So, if I read a liberal newspaper, I can change the ink at the subatomic level to transform the shape of the letters into words that I like better?

Who knew?


28 posted on 03/12/2009 4:13:37 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: grey_whiskers

Unlike Hardy’s original argument, our demonstration reveals the paradox by observation, rather than inference.”

This seems to be a mistaken conclusion.

Hardy’s Paradox: “the axiom that we cannot make inferences about past events that haven’t been directly observed while also acknowledging that the very act of observation affects the reality we seek to unearth”

If the observation affects the reality, the paradox applies. If the observation does not affect the reality, the paradox does not apply. By older technology, the observation affected the reality. With newer technology, an observation can be made in a less obtrusive manner, so that it does not affect the reality. That means that the paradox does not apply. It’s wrong to say that the paradox has been observed. It just does not apply.

It is kind of like saying that the ancient Greeks were wrong about atoms being the smallest building blocks of matter. They said there were smallest building blocks, which they called “atoms.” Modern scientists concluded that we had found the smallest building blocks, and they called them “atoms.” Later, scientists concluded that there were “sub-atomic” particles. This doesn’t mean that the ancient Greeks (ancient geeks) were wrong. It means that some modern scientists were wrong when they concluded that they had identified the smallest particles. They only identified the smallest particles known at that time.


29 posted on 03/12/2009 7:09:01 AM PDT by ChessExpert (The Dow was at 12,400 when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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“’Spooky Action At A Distance’ Of Quantum Mechanics Directly Observed.”

Well, if it’s directly observed, how spooky is that?


33 posted on 03/12/2009 6:20:29 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: grey_whiskers
Hmmm! I suspicious of any article by people who have to depend on a weak joint.

Is this just a subtle add for Viagra???

41 posted on 03/12/2009 10:28:00 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: grey_whiskers

If information is not lost in a black hole, then consider the information from our own duality in having been alive, but gradually dead. Two sides to an equation.

If God is good - as I believe - then sorting out such energy would seem an early step on the way to heaven, or cutting all but consciousness for those bound for hell so they might observe what they otherwise might have shared.

“If I knew God I’d be Him.” ...But I know too that by Israel, meaning to “struggle”, and islam meaning to “submit”...I’ll yet struggle, thanks.


49 posted on 03/14/2009 8:36:47 AM PDT by onedoug
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