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[a fool in paradise]

I won’t believe they were urbanized until I see signs of Community Organizers.

[stratboy]

It is a shame that they haven’t updated since then.

[varmintman]

The most major ingredient of all such dating schemes is circular reasoning. I wouldn’t want to have to bet on whether or not this planet was settled 4,500 years ago, at least not by humans.

[Ciexyz]

I recommend two historical novels, "Dawn of Empire" and "Empire Rising" by Sam Barone, concerning the rise of the city state of Ur on the Tigris River. Check your local library to see if you can get a copy through the inter-library loan system.

Well-written, fascinating story of the building of a wall for defense around the developing city, in an attempt to keep out a band of marauding steppe raiders. Has a strong female lead character, both males and females would enjoy this book.

[JoeProBono]