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Roundabouts proposed for Berkeley's Gilman St.
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/6/9 | Carolyn Jones

Posted on 03/06/2009 7:49:43 AM PST by SmithL

Motorists call it "suicide alley" and take 4-mile detours to avoid it. Pedestrians huddle on the sidewalk, cowering in fear. Merchants say it scares off customers.

But Berkeley has come up with a solution to the East Bay's most treacherous intersection - Gilman Street and Interstate 80, where traffic barrels through from 14 directions with no stoplights: a $10 million double roundabout.

"Roundabouts are all over Europe and Mexico. I think we'll get used to this here," said Berkeley City Councilwoman Linda Maio. "And the beauty of roundabouts is that if you don't get it the first time, you can just keep going around and around and around until you do."

The knot of cars, trucks, pedestrians and bicyclists at the Gilman interchange has been vexing and terrifying travelers for years. Stoplights are not possible because the four freeway ramps, two frontage roads and train tracks are so close together that a red light would instantly back up traffic onto the freeway and across the train tracks, creating potentially lethal gridlock.

The quagmire is intensified by the hundreds of drivers now shuttling to and from the Gilman soccer complex, which opened last fall. There are also trucks headed to Pacific Steel, kids bicycling to the waterfront or soccer fields, homeless people pushing shopping carts to the nearby recycling center, and shoppers hunting for a shortcut to Target.

In all, almost 20,000 vehicles a day pass through the intersection, and the number is expected to hit 27,000 in the next 20 years, according to a city traffic study.

After looking at numerous alternatives, Berkeley's transportation staff decided a double roundabout is the safest and most efficient answer.



(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Travel
KEYWORDS: berkeley; beserkely; california; roundabouts
It will never work. Everyone in Berkeley instinctively veers left.
1 posted on 03/06/2009 7:49:43 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

People panic and get angry when sodas change the can design.

Roundabout aren’t only cheaper to build and maintain than intersections, they move traffic quicker and eliminate head-on and t-bone collisions.

Whenever you propose improving something this way, people do their Dana Carvey “Grumpy Old Man” for a few weeks, then get used to it.


2 posted on 03/06/2009 7:53:26 AM PST by VirginiaConstitutionalist (The top 1% of income earners earn 17% of the income, but pay 39% of the income taxes. "Fair share?")
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To: SmithL

I avoid the one we have locally. It’s too small and should have been a T stop with a light.


3 posted on 03/06/2009 7:54:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

We call them Rotarys here in MA, and we are getting RID of them.


4 posted on 03/06/2009 7:57:46 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SmithL

Looking at Google Maps, those on/off ramps are screwy. Why did they do that in the first place? They could just push them back so that they meld with the service roads like normal on/off ramps. The other problem is the rail line is open, meaning no bridge. That is a big problem if that line is pretty active.


5 posted on 03/06/2009 8:03:17 AM PST by neb52 (Currently Reading: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency by Douglas Adams)
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To: SmithL

BOYCOTT BERKELEY


6 posted on 03/06/2009 8:03:58 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: massgopguy

I was fine with the rotaries in Massachusetts. I just shut my eyes and stomped the gas.

Hey, it was a rental, and I’d bought the Collision Damage Waiver.


7 posted on 03/06/2009 8:06:21 AM PST by SmithL (The Golden State demands all of your gold)
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To: massgopguy
Roundabouts would provide a Darwinian solution to the alcoholic driver problems in your Commonwealth.

Starting with Sir Ted, MA drivers somehow got the idea that the ethanol fuel so beloved of your Greenies, went in the driver, not in the vehicle tank.

8 posted on 03/06/2009 8:09:27 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

“Roundabouts would provide a Darwinian solution to the alcoholic driver problems in your Commonwealth.”

I go to a restaurant frequently that is on a circle and evidently to many people think it is fine driving through the center (which is a park) plowing through those cement pillars and cement retaining walls. Some were drunk others were going to fast around the circle and lost control of the car.


9 posted on 03/06/2009 8:16:59 AM PST by neb52
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
Roundabout aren’t only cheaper to build and maintain than intersections, they move traffic quicker and eliminate head-on and t-bone collisions.

Head-ons, yes, but I was damn near t-boned in one last weekend. The circle is fairly small (too small, really), so, when you are in it, the drivers entering from any of the four directions have the opportunity to t-bone you as you exit 90-degrees to the right of their entry. Had they made the circle a little bigger, and made them turn to the right more as they entered, then, yes, the t-bones would become more like side-swipes.

10 posted on 03/06/2009 8:27:40 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Traffic circles are just a bit worse than that idiotic “must turn right to make a left turn” BS.


11 posted on 03/06/2009 8:35:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SmithL

A Large Indy suburb spemt MILLIONS of tax dollars putting in Roundabouts, now they have begun ripping them out at busy intersections because the accident rate has SKYROCKETED....


12 posted on 03/06/2009 8:37:34 AM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: neb52

Another advantage of the roundabout. It serves as a drunk-catcher.


13 posted on 03/06/2009 10:09:41 AM PST by Erasmus (These days, it's hard for an iconoclast to keep up his image. -- Sid W Sodnagel)
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