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Brazil Church Excommunicates Mom, Doctors After Raped 9-Year-Old Has Abortion
Fox News ^ | 3-5-09

Posted on 03/05/2009 1:46:26 PM PST by Justaham

RIO DE JANEIRO — A Roman Catholic archbishop says the abortion of twins carried by a 9-year-old girl who allegedly was raped by her stepfather means excommunication for the girl's mother and her doctors.

Despite the nature of the case, the church had to hold its line against abortion, Archbishop Jose Cardoso Sobrinho said in an interview aired Thursday by Globo television.

"The law of God is higher than any human laws," he said. "When a human law — that is, a law enacted by human legislators — is against the law of God, that law has no value. The adults who approved, who carried out this abortion have incurred excommunication."

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To: N3WBI3

Perhaps sometimes taking an innocent human life is OK...it’s done all the time in war.


61 posted on 03/05/2009 2:51:13 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Philo-Junius

I can’t make that call. I’m assuming the physician in charge found medical evidence to suggest that the mother was already in physical distress and the twins would have followed shortly thereafter. Had the twins been allowed to develop any further, it may have been a call where they would have been lost and the mother rendered sterile with a litany of reconstructive surgery.

When really small children are violated, they usually require major surgery to be able to urinate and reproduction is out of the question.

I’m not going to slap the Church or the doctor around on this one. THIS WAS A TOUGH CALL no matter how you cut it.


62 posted on 03/05/2009 2:51:35 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: stuartcr
Perhaps sometimes taking an innocent human life is OK...it’s done all the time in war.

Such are the faultlines where religion rubs against reality.

63 posted on 03/05/2009 2:53:45 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Strange but true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina Lina Medina (born September 27, 1933, in Paurange, Peru) is the youngest confirmed mother in medical history, giving birth at the age of 5 years, 7 months and 21 days.

“...Born in Peru, Lina was brought to a hospital by her parents at the age of 5 years because of increasing abdominal size. She was originally thought to have had a tumor, but her doctors determined she was in her seventh month of pregnancy. Dr. Gerardo Lozada took her to Lima, Peru, prior to the surgery to have other specialists confirm that Lina was in fact pregnant. A month and a half later, on May 14, 1939, she gave birth to a boy by a caesarean section necessitated by her small pelvis..”


64 posted on 03/05/2009 2:59:48 PM PST by WellyP (obama must go!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
The h*!! with the little girl. She’s already been born, so she doesn’t matter. Only “unborn babies” matter. Everybody else can rot. < /s>

Who's letting the child rot? Also, how does forcing the kid to have an abortion make the situation in the least bit better? It doesn't.

65 posted on 03/05/2009 3:03:00 PM PST by frogjerk (NO TAXATION FOR REAMORTIZATION!)
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To: WellyP

Well, good for her. That would at least confirm that Latin American children develop consistently with the theory I am familiar with. As I said previously, I was not involved with this case, so I can’t say what the factors involved were. I do know that in 99 out of 100 cases, when the child is not sufficiently developed in size, the healthy birth of a single child, much less twins would render the mother disfigured at the least, sterile or dead at the other end of the spectrum.

Penetration normally requires reconstructive surgery in most young children.


66 posted on 03/05/2009 3:04:16 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: stuartcr
Perhaps sometimes taking an innocent human life is OK...it’s done all the time in war.

You've tried this argument once before and made yourself look foolish. I would advise against it.

67 posted on 03/05/2009 3:04:28 PM PST by frogjerk (NO TAXATION FOR REAMORTIZATION!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Yes. Everyone shares the same reality, not so with religions.


68 posted on 03/05/2009 3:05:19 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: frogjerk

Not an arguement, just a fact.


69 posted on 03/05/2009 3:06:06 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: stuartcr
Perhaps sometimes taking an innocent human life is OK...it’s done all the time in war.

Again, where is the war in the mothers womb?

70 posted on 03/05/2009 3:06:31 PM PST by frogjerk (NO TAXATION FOR REAMORTIZATION!)
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To: stuartcr
Not an arguement, just a fact.

You are using the fact to imply it is OK, so it is more than a fact to you, it is a justification.

71 posted on 03/05/2009 3:07:36 PM PST by frogjerk (NO TAXATION FOR REAMORTIZATION!)
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To: frogjerk

Is it true or not?


72 posted on 03/05/2009 3:08:18 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: frogjerk

Not one single one of us has enough facts to make a call on this. I assume the Bishop who made his decision did. If not, then he’s as guilty as the rest.

I’m giving it over to God, and the evil SOB who did this to the child under his protection over to God’s saving grace in whatever form that takes.


73 posted on 03/05/2009 3:08:56 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: frogjerk

There is none, but innocent lives are taken in both situations, aren’t they?


74 posted on 03/05/2009 3:09:28 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: stuartcr
Is it true or not?

Yes, it is a fact, but so what. What is the point to your statement and what are you trying to imply?

75 posted on 03/05/2009 3:10:16 PM PST by frogjerk (NO TAXATION FOR REAMORTIZATION!)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

One hopes it was a hard call, but I wonder if the Church would have been so willing to make a public announcement about the excommunication if it didn’t have some idea that the physicians had not fully explored alternatives to the abortion.

I’m not convicting either party, except of a failure to communicate their decision-making criteria to each other.


76 posted on 03/05/2009 3:11:23 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: stuartcr
There is none, but innocent lives are taken in both situations, aren’t they?

What is the reason you are linking them together? There must be a point, right? So what is it? What message are you trying to convey?

77 posted on 03/05/2009 3:11:52 PM PST by frogjerk (NO TAXATION FOR REAMORTIZATION!)
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To: frogjerk

Thank you, sounds a lot like the earlier phrase...’situational ethics’, doesn’t it?


78 posted on 03/05/2009 3:12:07 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Philo-Junius

Absolutely to both of your statements.


79 posted on 03/05/2009 3:13:15 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: stuartcr
Thank you, sounds a lot like the earlier phrase...’situational ethics’, doesn’t it?

You're welcome, for what I do not know...You still haven't even come close to stating why these two situations are linked in even the remotest way.

80 posted on 03/05/2009 3:14:08 PM PST by frogjerk (NO TAXATION FOR REAMORTIZATION!)
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