Posted on 03/05/2009 1:46:26 PM PST by Justaham
And Obama should make it rain candy. All three living was not the option: all three dying was.
“I’m as pro-life as you can get, but
can a 9-yo safely carry twins to term?”
Of course not. She was in pain because her uterus was already stretched to the point that she was at risk for rupture.
The best case scenario if the pregnancy continued would’ve seen her carrying for another month, until her uterus ruptered, then the emergency c-section to try and save the premmies from asphyxiating to death as they’d now be floating loose in an ocean of a 9 year old child’s blood.
What the stepfather did was monstrous. What the Church is doing is satanic.
The mother and doctor did the right thing.
The man hasn’t even been convicted yet; let’s wait until we know who’s responsible before we start kicking people out of the Church—assuming the perp is indeed Catholic, which, I’m willing to guess, you’re not.
Are you a doctor? An OB/GYN? An OB nurse?
Yep. The step father will be defended by liberals in the very next breath.
Could you please elaborate?
I am not going to make the Church's call on this one BUT in this instance, it was definitely to save the life of the mother.
When I worked years and years ago in the Dept. of Obstetrics and Gynecology of a top ten teaching facility, our docs often were the expert witnesses for the cases of rape and incest. I am probably the most pro-life individual imaginable, but this was not a tough call as far as the doctor was concerned. As to the Church — it was probably a very difficult call.
Are you?
That may be a factor in SOME early puberty cases, but surely it can't be a factor in ALL. I'm assuming, for clarification sake, that is what you meant. For instance, individual physical development and a person's pituitary gland recognizing a certain height and weight could be the factor in some cases. The history of abuse isn't present in all cases. Did I understand your statement correctly?
How common is it for 9yo girls to be able to have babies? I would think *something* has to be done to get their hormones flowing early.
“All three living was not the option: all three dying was.”
The probability of that being the outcome was greater than 75 percent — probably greater than 90.
There are a variety of factors contributing to the historically low age of female puberty we’re seeing nowadays. The average age now is 12+some, varying somewhat by race, while for comparison, the average age in the early 19th century was 15+some. The American average has dropped almost a year since I was a girl; this probably reflects the changing racial composition of the U.S. as well as other factors.
The #1 factor correlated with earlier puberty is higher body weight. The hormone changes that trigger puberty closely match a certain level of body fat that indicates to the body that the person is physically capable of gestating/delivering a baby, and therefore can be physically capable of conceiving one.
However, there are other factors that can influence this hormonal shift. Some are inherited - a mother’s age at menarche is a factor in a daughter’s age. Others are environmental, including certain chemicals in the diet (although this is a minor factor), and including exposure to sexual behavior or sexual activity. Why this is so is not entirely clear. However, endocrinology has observed other hormonal shifts that are associated with emotional and psychological effects, so this observation is reasonable, if not fully understood.
Except for a few situations where puberty symptoms in very young children were an obvious result of dietary contamination, the earliest ages of female puberty - these 7, 8, 9’s we see in the news - have been observed in girls who were sexually abused.
I guess I wasn’t clear. Sorry, it’s been a long day and all my kids are screaming because the pizza isn’t ready and the catz are threatening my extremities.
You’re correct, what I really meant was that sexual abuse is a factor in SOME cases of earlier, and especially very early, puberty. The general trend toward a lower age of puberty is largely the result of diet.
In Latin American countries, due to most people being rather small (historically), the bodies of the young mature when the pituitary gland recognizes the height and weight for their genetic background.
Am I making sense???
But how does one come to this conclusion? It could be the other way too, couldn't it? That is, abuse following early puberty, especially in relation to the visible aspects of puberty in a young girl.
I was 10 when I had my first menstrual cycle. Nine wouldn’t be terribly unusual.
Another 5 weeks would have given the triplets at least a fifty-fifty shot after a Caesarian.
I’m no doctor, but was it out of the question to wait a month and at least try saving everybody?
I’m sorry, you’ll have to search for more specific information on the cause-effect relationship. I’m summarizing what I’ve read over a number of years in a variety of sources.
I read it wrong—she was only 15 weeks along—meaning she would have had to wait 9 weeks to get to the 24-week limit which is the edge of viability.
Any doctors care to opine on the prospect of that?
At what age does menstruation typically begin?
Girls start menstruating at the average age of 12. However, girls can begin menstruating as early as 8 years of age or as late as 16 years of age.
http://womens-health.health-cares.net/menstruation-age.php
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