Posted on 02/26/2009 8:20:02 AM PST by TheDailyChange
Nigel Haskett was working at a McDonalds in Arkansas last summer when he witnessed Perry Kennon, a criminal with a long record beating a woman. Mr. Haskett tackled Kennon, threw him out of the restaurant, and then stood by the door to prevent reentry. Kennon went to his vehicle, grabbed a gun and proceeded to shoot Nigel Haskett multiple times. Haskett staggered back into the McDonalds and collapsed. Haskett has had multiple surgeries and medical costs are at $300,000 and counting.
McDonald’s has denied workers compensation benefits to Mr. Haskett.
http://www.thedailychange.com/mcdonalds-shafts-one-of-their-own/
I forgot to add in earshot
Discretion is the better part of valor. Blindly charging into a situation is not heroic, it's idiotic, and more times than naught, dangerous to your person. And for the ninth time, she wasn't being "beaten" by any means. In fact it looks like from the video I posted above, that she never even put her cell phone down that she had to her right ear.
“I wonder who he supported in the election?”
I use to wonder how people like this even know what an election is, but I now know that groups like ACORN literally walk them through it.
Some years ago, I was a poll watcher for a friend running for sheriff in a small Mississippi county just south of the Tennessee line.
The chocolates were driven to the poll, given a half pint of whiskey, and taken into the booth with a helper to push the right buttons.
My friend, of course, did not play that game, and did not win.
Depends what his “Career” as a criminal was. You can’t execute people for every crime, and you can’t lock them up for ever for even a minor one. Besides, he doesnt sound like a career criminal to me - certainly not a very successful one. He’s more like a sad loser with a screw loose.
True “career criminals” don’t get caught. And the really successful ones these days use computer keyboards, not guns.
Good for her!
Though not neccesarily so good for society in general, if they just simply went off and robbed someone else.
Agreed. But they’re probably not.
Really?
The guy is an obvious nutcase. He beats a woman up in a public restaurant and gets thrown out. He then leaves, grabs a gun, and shoots the good samaritan who stopped his assault. Who would have thought he would have done that? 999 people out of a thousand do not over-react like that. What is the employee supposed to have done with his carry gun? Outdrawn him like billy the kid? Erratic people are dangerous not because they are violent, or armed, but just simply because they are erratic.
Agreed. If it doesnt matter whether you are black or white if you apply for a job, receive a medal, or apply to college, it shouldnt matter if you commit a crime.
These race pressure groups are demanding superior, not equal rights.
Yeah, thuggo-flash has mantis-like reflexes. It would have been very difficult to get over on him. I mean, it takes 1-2 whole seconds to draw but woah, this isn't any ordinary thug, he's THUGGO-FLASH! He argues in the parking lot, beats his woman, runs out to the car to retrieve a weapon...ALL IN 112 Milliseconds!!!!
If thats your counter argument, so are you.
You should publish your penetrating research (that was sarcasm incidentally).
Tell me, how is the McDonalds employee supposed to have “defended” himself? Most people do not respond to incidents like this by dragging out a firearm. I wouldn’t have expected this lunatic to pull a gun. Once he did, he had the “drop” on the employee, so how is a gun gonna help?
You have no evidence that the gun the perp had was illegally obtained or carried, cos the story doesn’t say. It’s quite possible it wouldnt matter anyway - the perp is obviously several cards short of a full deck and people like that do not respond rationally.
Topped only by your own.
Oh come on, it’s not a question of his reflexes, and you know it. It’s a question of the guy getting the drop because your employee wouldnt be expecting him to drag a gun out.
Your sarcasm doesnt help your argument.
The guy got the gun out of his car, he was beating his woman and arguing. Plenty of time warn the thug. “I AM ARMED. LEAVE THE PREMISES. I REPEAT, I AM ARMED, THE POLICE ARE ON THE WAY. LEAVE THE PREMISES.” At that point, weapon is out, aimed down or in otherwise safely oriented. Thug would have likely left. The moment gun is retrieved and lifted at you threatening your life, you are clear to stop the threat. Thug with sidewise gangsta grip vs a responsible carry owner who probably practices...would have ended differently.
Thug has LONG CRIMINAL RECORD. He would NOT be eligible to carry anywhere in the country.
No, if you read the story he was beating this lady up, and got thrown out. He THEN went to his car and grabbed a gun, while the employee was blocking the entrance to prevent re-entry.
The point about all these altercations is that the perpetrator almost always has the initiative, in that it is they who choose to escalate the situation. If the other party escalates it, THEY risk breaking the law, which of course, being honest citizens they are loath to do.
Well, at least the criminal was nice enough to leave his gun in his car before going in to McDonald’s to beat the woman.
No argument there.
He beats a woman up in a public restaurant and gets thrown out. He then leaves (but not the premises), grabs a gun, and shoots the good samaritan who stopped his assault. Who would have thought he would have done that?
Haven't been in many situations like that, have you?
999 people out of a thousand do not over-react like that.
I am not sure where your statistic came from, but, as you said, the guy is a nutcase. You keep an eye on nutcases, you watch them go to their vehicle, see if they leave, and keep an eye out for the nutcase and the vehicle returning.
What is the employee supposed to have done with his carry gun? Outdrawn him like billy the kid?
Billy the Kid was a bad guy, and a bit of a nutcase. "outdrawing" someone is tough to do when they have their gun in hand. The best you can normally do is to see them coming and have your firearm ready just in case (not necessarily displayed, but ready.
Unfortunately, the gentleman in this case was caught unprepared.
Erratic people are dangerous not because they are violent, or armed, but just simply because they are erratic.
Precisely. Now, knowing you had just pissed one off, would you have:
1. Detained him for police.
2. Kept an eye out for the guy returning.
3. Reported the matter to the cops, even though that does more good in some places than others.
4. Made sure you were ready in case he came back (precluded by employee policies of the restaurant).
Number 4 makes a lot of sense, probably the most sense beyond the first option, but for employees whose employers will not permit them to carry on the job, most would not consider the option.
I doubt the gun was legally owned, I have no proof but neither do you have proof that it was. The employee had a much better chance of defending himself if he was armed then he did being unarmed, the chance he had unarmed was 0.
The free ownership and carrying of arms is a God given right and states with the most lenient gun laws have the lowest crime rate.
The reason this perp felt free to get his gun and come back was because he was about 99 percent certain the employee wasn't armed. You can use circular logic all day long and it won't change the fact that owning and carrying guns reduces crime, it doesn't increase. Disarming citizens increases crime.
“Haven’t been in many situations like that, have you?”
I thank the good Lord I have not. And therein lies another point. Most people don’t, most of the time.
“I am not sure where your statistic came from, but, as you said, the guy is a nutcase. You keep an eye on nutcases, you watch them go to their vehicle, see if they leave, and keep an eye out for the nutcase and the vehicle returning.”
By 999/1000 I was just meaning the majority. I mean, its not normal rational behaviour, is it?
“...”outdrawing” someone is tough to do when they have their gun in hand. The best you can normally do is to see them coming and have your firearm ready just in case (not necessarily displayed, but ready.
Unfortunately, the gentleman in this case was caught unprepared.”
Ah, but that is the point I made in an earlier post. The problem with altercations like this is that the perpetrator/criminal/nutcase/all three of the aforementioned almost always has the initiative, in that they are the ones who choose to escalate the situation to the next level. Once he has the “drop” on you, then there’s not really much you can do. The good lawabiding citizen almost never escalates, partly because they don’t want any trouble and partly because, by definition, they dont want to break the law, or be put in a situation which might be construed as breaking the law.
“Number 4 makes a lot of sense, probably the most sense beyond the first option, but for employees whose employers will not permit them to carry on the job, most would not consider the option.”
How many restaurants are going to stay in business if their employees have a hand hovering near a gun when they are serving you a burger “just in case”? And thats what it would come down to, by logical extension. You can’t live life on a high like that all the time.
“The reason this perp felt free to get his gun and come back was because he was about 99 percent certain the employee wasn’t armed.”
No, the reason this guy felt free to get his gun was because he had one to go get. Someone who shoots someone else in a situation like that is either overreacting, on something, or has a brain that is so puddled he doesn’t care. Like these characters who go into schools and lay waste with some automatic weapon. They know they are going to die. They dont care. The problem with having a constitution which gives everyone a god-given right to be armed is that it means just that - everyone has a right to carry guns, concerned citizens, careful gun-owners, patriots, nutters, pyschopaths, criminals, traitors. The liberals think that removing the right to be armed is going to solve the problem. It won’t.
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