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What percentage of college should his parents pay for? For on line poker playing son?
Vanity | Feb 26 2009 | self

Posted on 02/26/2009 5:16:21 AM PST by dennisw

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To: icwhatudo

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that she was able to work while at CC. Great habits. Continued that thru Loyola.


41 posted on 02/26/2009 6:05:38 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: dennisw
Is this the kids dad?


42 posted on 02/26/2009 6:06:50 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: dennisw

no indication whether he is winning or losing at poker.

if he is a losing player, backing away from the tables might be necessary because he will need his education to make a living.

if he is winning, he could pay for it himself, or skip college for a while and play poker for a living.

btw, if he was playing online in 10th grade he was probably underage. throw this story around enough and Obama will get the idea for another area to micromanage.


43 posted on 02/26/2009 6:08:49 AM PST by fnord (There's a reason we don't often hear about a Michelob deal gone bad.)
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To: gate2wire

Awesome! That’s the other great thing about CC, you can actually get homework done and pump up the GPA! Imagine being a 17 1/2-18 year old teen suddenly 1,000 miles from home living on a campus with 20,000+students. I don’t know how they do it. Much better IMHO to grow up a bit, be 20 and then make the move.


44 posted on 02/26/2009 6:10:42 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: frogjerk

very rare poker ping


45 posted on 02/26/2009 6:11:56 AM PST by fnord (There's a reason we don't often hear about a Michelob deal gone bad.)
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To: dennisw

FULL LOAD SCHEDULE..FAIL 1 CLASS AND YOUR ON YOUR OWN


46 posted on 02/26/2009 6:16:49 AM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God)
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To: Sloth

We made our children get a Stafford loan and it was their responsibility to pay $3500 per year. The first year Stafford was $1500 so they had to work to save $2000 before freshman year. They all had to have jobs in college to get spending money.
Once they started classes we told them that they had to get a 3.0 or we should not pay room and board ( about$4500 per semester). My oldest daughter missed twice so she had to take out loans totaling $9000. She got the point.


47 posted on 02/26/2009 6:18:12 AM PST by mksee
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To: dennisw
He will value his college education at exactly what it costs him.

Sad but true.

48 posted on 02/26/2009 6:21:36 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Only after disaster can we be resurrected." -- Tyler Durden)
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To: dennisw
First thing is take away the computer.

Then if the kid won't work then he should not ‘eat’, he will get hungry enough quick enough to at least fill the dishwasher or sweep a floor, or learn to cook. Make him do something for himself.

These parents also need be on the alert for credit card companies enticing their son into poker fun debt. My children were flooded with invitations for ‘free’ (cough, cough) money the day they turned 18. Gambler's Paradise.

And NO my children did not or at have not yet gotten themselves into gambler's debt. But the temptation is mighty powerful.

49 posted on 02/26/2009 6:21:48 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: dennisw

IMO their son needs some professional help before he goes to college. It sounds like he has addiction problems (gambling) along with being anti social (no friends). I am concerned that he has depression problems, please encourage him to get help ASAP.....it could save their sons life

If they send him off to college now, things will only get worse. College would be the worse place for him.


50 posted on 02/26/2009 6:22:30 AM PST by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: dennisw

Sadly, my take is that any amount is too much. Money down a rathole.


51 posted on 02/26/2009 6:22:56 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: fnord

no indication whether he is winning or losing at on line poker.
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I think he’s gotten very good. He said he was not good in the beginning. From telephone conversations with him I think he is being truthful and that he is quite good

No money is at stake. Just pretend type games


52 posted on 02/26/2009 6:23:57 AM PST by dennisw (Archimedes--- Give me a place to stand, and I will move the Earth)
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To: dennisw

An on-line gambling addiction? Parents should not give one dime for anything except therapy to cure him.


53 posted on 02/26/2009 6:24:48 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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The boy needs to get a job and if he happens to go to college that’s fine. They are right, he needs some skin in the game. Maybe the entire first semester of tuition he should pay? The parents could agree to pay for books and room & board, but the tuition would be his. Then, every subsequent semester that he earns a 3.0 they could pay for an accumulating 15%. So that, starting his Junior year, after three semesters of a 3.0, they would be paying 45%. We have enough 30-year-old children addicted to games, no need to enable another.


54 posted on 02/26/2009 6:26:46 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: dennisw
IMHO, the child (he may be 18, but he acts like a child) will be a monstrous, disastrous, utter failure in college. Not because he's stupid, but because he's lazy.

IMHO, this child needs to be slapped in the face by reality, before he's mature enough to be a full-time college student on his own.

Perhaps the parents should pay for ZERO of his first year in community college ... if he can hack that, then maybe he can think about going off to a regular, four year university.

55 posted on 02/26/2009 6:26:54 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: dennisw
Regardless of whether or not a son or daughter plays poker, the parents should not feel obligated to pay any of their children's college expenses. If they are able and willing to pay those expenses, the parents should then--and only then--consider paying any expenses. If a child is fiscally irresponsible, the parents should give the child nothing but a handshake and their best wishes--and they should clearly state why they are not "helping" and under what conditions they would "help out". (As you can see, I do not like the verb "help" in the way it is used with respect to college expenses. Many, if not most, think their parents are OBLIGED to pay their college tuition and living expenses and that others such as alumni/alumnae, philanthropists, et. al., are similarly OBLIGED to pay the rest.

The reason many parents who cannot really afford to pay for their children's college expenses do so, is because they mistakenly believe that a college degrees (as opposed to a college education) guarantees success in life. Those parents tend to ignore the reason for attending school and college is to provide students with the knowledge, skills, abilities, and competencies to be a contributing member of society, that is, one who earns a decent living, pays his or her taxes, etc.

About a week ago there was a post on FR in which a nitwit named Mindy borrowed $35,000 at 9% to attend college. She graduated with a degree in accounting and maintains since she allowed her debt to skyrocket to over $90,000 (Read: She did not even pay the interest. Not paying any interest under those circumstances means she went almost 8 years after graduating without paying a single cent of the debt!) she will only be able to pay the debt is she wins the lottery or she receives a significant promotion. She isn't much of an accountant. If she borrowed the entire amount before attending college and deferred all payments until she graduated, she would have owed about $45,000. If she budgeted $175.00 a week, she would have paid off the debt in 6 years and 27 weeks.

My conclusions are that Mindy may know how to add and subtract on a balance sheet, but she does not know much about creating a balance sheet, and she is too self-centered to pay her just debts. Even at $41,000 a year, which is a bit less than $800.00 a week, paying $175.00 a week for an obligation into which she freely entered shows that she expects others to pay her bills for her. I wish her will in finding a rich husband, but I really wish she would make good on her own obligations rather than b1tch about how little she gets paid and how much deeper in debt she is falling because she has yet to make the first payment on her debt.

This country would be greatly improved if parents began reminding their children of the value of an education while at the same time reminding them they should plan to pay their own way in life.

56 posted on 02/26/2009 6:37:12 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: dennisw

there is no way to determine his skill level if all he is playing are free games (i.e. no money involved). if he wants to know if he is actually skilled at poker, he will play for money.

maybe his parents should stake him to a small bankroll and let him play for real. if he wins, he can follow that path until tired of it, and then he can go to school. if he loses his roll quickly, maybe he will realize he isn’t that good after all, and will concentrate on school.

btw, since I didn’t raise any kids, taking my suggestions in this area would be foolhardy :-)


57 posted on 02/26/2009 6:38:49 AM PST by fnord (There's a reason we don't often hear about a Michelob deal gone bad.)
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To: dennisw

never had summer job
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This pretty much sums it up, IMO. The issue is not the kid, it is the permissive parents who allowed the kid to skate.


58 posted on 02/26/2009 6:44:11 AM PST by dmz
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To: dennisw
I'd have to go along with most of the "tough love" folks and say the parent's obligations end when the kid turns 18 AND graduates from High School.
Boot their rear end out the door, tell them to get a job, and if they want to go to college, they can pay for it themselves.
59 posted on 02/26/2009 6:57:27 AM PST by cuz_it_aint_their_money (I'll show their president the exact same respect and loyalty that they have shown my president.)
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Time for tough love’ in reality it is long past time. NO college money-NADA. The kid gets a job and pays room and board to his parents, or goes into the military—does something that contributes to society. In addition he gets some help with his gambling problem ASAP.

The parents should continue to offer help with tuition, etc. but ONLY when he gets himself straightened out. Otherwise they w/b throwing their money away.
I am parent of four, all with undergraduate and advanced degrees.

60 posted on 02/26/2009 7:06:34 AM PST by Tarheel ( Dogs have owners, Cats have staff)
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