Jindal and Palin

[jwb0581]

I may be alone on this, but as a lifelong independent conservative I don't know how anyone can compare Palin to Jindal. Don't get me wrong - I love Palin as a person and I love her positions on the issues. But some of the interviews were just embarrasing. I dislike Gibson and Couric more than anyone, but at times she was non-sensical or just plain empty in her answers and that can't be blamed on anyone but Palin.

I have seen others have their conservatism questioned because they have reservations about Palin. Just because someone has conservative positions that I agree with, doesn't mean they are presidential material. My grandmother has great positions on the issues but she would not make a good president.

Jindal may come off as a geek, and maybe he's too young to run in 2012. But this guy is the most brilliant, capable conservative I've seen in years. I live in Louisiana so I have watched him up close. He is the real deal.

[Huck]

Great post. I'm not sure why our bench is so incredibly weak. Brother, you are going to get crucified. I feel for you.

That's Ok. It happens. It goes in cycles. I speak my peace. Get hassled. Give myself a healthy time out. Eventually I come back speak my peace, and so on.

I had such high hopes for Jindal. Although, I think he can still recover because of his resume and his track record, at commerce, in the Congress and in LA. One speech doesn't make or break a career (except in Obama's case). But, a few more outing like this for Jindal, and it's over.

If that's the case, then I think it's over. I didn't think it was a bad speech--for Jindal. I think what you see is what you get. Maybe as he gets older, his presentation will change, but right now, he is what he is. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's a good thing that he's the Gov of LA. That's good enough for now. We simply have to look elsewhere. It wasn't a subpar speech for him. It was par. If you are disappointed, your expectations were too high. Adjust your expectations to match what you observe--not what you hope to observe.

Sanford is really starting to impress me with his appearances on the Sunday morning chat shows. Keep an eye on him. He's got a great economic background which could be very useful in 2012.

Yes. I've seen a little of him. At this point, he's certainly worth looking into in depth.

[luckystarmom]

The Fred Heads liked Fred because he was the only candidate that was good on all of the issues (except Duncan Hunter, but he never had a real chance). People also know who Thompson was because of his acting. He just didn’t have the political machine in place in time to run a campaign.

I don’t think Palin was bad. She can fire up the base like no other candidate out there. She has the most charisma. Now, she has to show she has substance.

So it’s looking like Jindal has substance, but no charisma. Maybe he’ll be able to build on his charisma.

We need a candidate with both. We have a few years to figure this out.

By the way, Palin was a much better VP candidate than Biden, hands down.

[Huck]

We need a candidate with both. We have a few years to figure this out.

I agree. Settling now is not a good idea. Better to keep shopping around vigorously.

[rintense]

When someone posts a vanity this early on, and starts with the liberal talking points against Palin, yeah, I am extremely suspect. And you should be too.

[jwb0581]

So you’re telling me that a conservative who was embarassed by Palin’s performance in the interviews last year is guilty of spouting liberal talking points?

[rintense]

It is entirely possible. Yet, if you look at the troll pattern, this fits. Posting a vanity using liberal Palin talking points to tout another conservative? Come on. We as freepers have to be smart enough to recognize truth versus planned division. If conservatives are viciously torn between Palin and Jindal, who benefits? Not conservatives.

A trolls main goal is to not only bash Sarah Palin, but to use whatever other means necessary to strip support away from her.

And the same can be said for Jindal as well. He will soon catch the wrath of liberals and get Palin'd too. Sad, but it is reality.

We need to be able to spot it and stop it.

[rintense]

And what is the cold hard truth, Huck? You have yet to provide ONE substantive argument against Sarah. You keep focusing on the very things the liberal media does- style.

[rintense]

Any conservative using ‘style’ as an excuse not to support someone is not a conservative, period.

[jwb0581]

You are absurd. I have been a member of FR since 2004. My first posts on this site concerned trying to get Republican volunteers in Red states to coordinate to travel to nearby battle ground states in order to help Bush beat Kerry.

I live in Louisiana and I have volunteered for the Republican Party of Louisiana. I have supported Jindal and watched him closely and become a big fan of his.

It seems you are the one trying to divide us. There is no worse insult than to call a loyal member of FR a troll. And you are the one using that insult.

Can you have an honest discussion of our current party leaders’ strengths and weaknesses?

[pallis]

Palin isn’t the problem. The problem is the 0media, and Palin should avoid them. Any Republican candidate should avoid the Democrat media. Give interviews to local stations while touring the states. The poverty pimp will be chomping at the bit to debate, so use his ego as an opportunity to lull him into friendly grounds. Take advantage of local news stations that are more receptive to conservatism. Let them sponsor the debates, and insist on having more than one moderator picked from the local media, business, universities, etc. Don’t get sucked into any liberal stomp fests. Have an advance team that covers the media ground. Whenever the left complains, use it as an opportunity to point out how the MSM leads the way with liberalism and attacking conservative America.

If there is another Reagan out there who can lead America back from the brink, find him or her. For goodness sake, don’t divide Republicans with another gaggle of can’t wins that will get us another McCain. I think a Palin/Romney ticket could win back the White House in 2012.

[rintense]

You're the one who posted the vanity with the standard liberal talking points about Sarah Palin, not me. Seems to me if you want an honest discussion, at least include some substantive discussion in your argument.

You're a long term freeper, you should know better.

[bestintxas]

see reply #44 on this post

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2193627/posts?page=1#1

[jwb0581]

What exactly did I post that was a “standard liberal talking point”?

That I didn’t like her interviews?

[rintense]

DING DING DING!!! We have a winner. Typical anti-Palin troll rhetoric. Again, if you would step outside Jindal Land for a minute or two and visit other threads, you would know this. Of course, I find it even more sad that a freeper would use the same talking points.

[jwb0581]

How is it a “talking point” to say you don’t like an interview?

I was sad that Palin did so poorly in those interviews, because after the convention speech I was all fired up about Palin. I was sad because it gave the left ammunition.

I’m not in Jindal Land, I just am a big fan. I don’t even know if he’s ready in 2012, though. We need to look at all the options. I just think you may be turning a blind eye to Palin’s shortcomings because you love her positions on issues and her story so much (and so do I!).

[rintense]

Because the only shortcoming you can give is the Couric/Gibson interview.

I love both Palin and Jindal so stop trying to turn this on me.

[SoCalPol]

Gov. Palin can speak to the issues without notes or teleprompters.

She drew huge crowds and they were jazzed like I have not seen in other candidates except Reagan.

She has delt with countries from Canada to Japan with
trade and fuel issues.

She has a son in the Army serving in Iraq. She has a clue
to the issues of the day.

AS far as the two interviews drug up by the liberals, those were heavely edited.
The one Gibson tried to play gotcha with re “Bush Doctrine”
there were actually 6 or more different doctrines, Gibson
ended up the jerk.

Gov. Palin was also in command in the debate vs Biden.

[roamer_1]

I will treat you to the same question I give the Palinistas- One which they cannot answer, and one I am fairly certain you will not be able to answer either:

On his record, How does Jindal prove that he can harness all three pillars of Conservatism?

It is my position that he cannot.

[Durus]

Popularity, in our day an age, is typically a product of marketing. In politics this marketing is, again typically, carried out by a partisan media. When we strive for a "popular" candidate that will appeal to an ignorant voter base then we have already conceded victory to the democrats because we don't have a willing propaganda partner in major media. I suggest that instead of trying to appeal to the "American idol" voter we try to appeal to other groups. Like conservatives and the silent majority.

We need to start building coalitions. We need to recreate a grass-root infrastructure. We need to support actual conservatives.

What we should not do, and what is a losing strategy, is trying to replicate the cult of personality demagoguery of the left. Anyone that is relatively intelligent and honestly cares about America will not be swayed by republicans trying to outdo democrats. We need to start pressing the conservative solutions to the nations problems. Hell...most of the solutions aren't rocket science. You don't need to be Harvard educated marxist lawyer to explain to the American people that you can't spend your way out of debt.

All to often we see conservatives trying to play nice instead of hammering the opposition as the communist/marxist, hypocritical, power hungry, wannabe tyrants they are. Who is the last conservative to stand up and say "Obama is a con man, he's selling the American people a scam designed to make them feel good while fleecing them".

Look at how viral Santelli's little mini rant went. It had legs despite it not being particularly high brow and couched in the same old "I'm ok, you're ok let's just get along" pablum that everyone is so sick of but Republicans insist on using.

Let's please keep in mind that Obama got 52% of the vote. While that is scary let's not make it sound like the republican party is on life support. We had an uphill struggle to retain the presidency to begin with and we lost by a few percentage points. It's not the end of the world and we can win again. The way it's looking right now Dems are running out of excuses and the golden boy is looking tarnished. We don't need to find a conservative superman (or woman) to beat them. Just a real conservative that can articulate grown up answers to the problems that democrats have created.

[CedarDave]

Any conservative using ‘style’ as an excuse not to support someone is not a conservative, period.

The point is we need both to win. Of the Republican primary candidates, who was the most dynamic, the one you most wanted to listen to? Of course, after McCain selected her it was Sarah, without a doubt.

But in the early part of the year, the first would have been Rudy then Romney. They both gave good rousing hard-hitting speeches. Occasionally Thompson did too in his homespun way, but I didn't see the fire in his gut that the first two had. I never cared much for populist style of Huckabee and not at all for the quiet speeches by McCain who was always too nice to his Senatorial colleagues and their policies (the main exception being abortion).

Now that's style. As far as substance went, IMO the only one with firm conservative values was Fred. But given what we have now with the Anointed One, I wish we had a Rudy or Romney at the top of the ticket so that we would at least have a chance of surviving the next four years.