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Windows 7 version lineup revealed: Prepare for disappointment
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Posted on 02/19/2009 1:30:25 PM PST by Chet 99

Remember when Vista was announced, and Microsoft decided to release six different versions of the operating system, much to the confusion, disappointment, and ridicule of potential buyers? Well guess what? Microsoft is back with the Windows 7 strategy. What has it learned in the last three years? Pretty much nothing.

While Microsoft is touting the "two primary editions" of Windows 7 -- a Home Premium edition and a Professional (intended for business) edition -- the fact is it's sticking with the same six different versions (or SKUs, stock-keeping units) that it had for Vista.

The real difference is that Windows 7 Home Basic -- the much-reviled stripped-down version of Vista that was designed for bare-bones PCs -- is now being shunted to emerging markets only, though it will still exist. But to confuse matters, a Windows 7 Starter edition, which will run only three applications simultaneously, will also be available.

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: lowqualitycrap; microsoft; microsucks; windows; windows7
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To: Golden Eagle
If I'm ever brought up on charges I'll just plead guilty and pay the fine

That's $2,500 to $25,000 just for the circumvention. Are you willing to pay just because you tested ripping a DVD? Just hope they don't get you on copyright infringement, up to $150,000 (you copied it to your hard drive without permission, right?).

The people who created the tool you used are subject to $500,000 and/or five years for the first offense, $1,000,000 and/or ten years for subsequent offenses, if they made so much as a penny off it. That would include selling the tool, donations to the project, ad revenue from their web site, etc.

You don't think there's something wrong with that?

There is a section of the DMCA, 1201 (c), which states "Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title."

Bringing that up in your defense is what you'd probably call whining. But that clause has been pretty much ignored by the the courts, prosecutors and companies in pursuing people who try to exercise it.

141 posted on 02/21/2009 6:23:09 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: antiRepublicrat
That's $2,500 to $25,000 just for the circumvention. Are you willing to pay just because you tested ripping a DVD?

Show me where that's ever happened to anyone, ever, for making a test copy and maybe then I'll consider it an actual concern, but until then it just sounds like you bellyaching you can't rip off other people's work infinitely.

The people who created the tool you used are subject to $500,000 and/or five years for the first offense

Somebody needs to tell Office Depot and Walmart then, cause they sell these ripper tools right off the shelf. They load right up and work in Vista too, despite all the crying we constantly hear that nothing in Vista ever works right, and the laws are so unfair on those that try to steal. Beg for sympathy from me and I'll laugh in your face LOL.

142 posted on 02/21/2009 6:58:35 PM PST by Golden Eagle (In God We Trust)
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To: Blue Highway
I usually uninstall the trial ware crap like that or McAfee ASAP with a new computer.

You are wise.

143 posted on 02/21/2009 7:10:24 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: calex59
If they don’t see the BSOD then they aren’t running windows, or have never run early versions of windows!

Oh, so you admit that the BSOD if basically a legend of old. Thanks.

144 posted on 02/21/2009 7:26:45 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Blue Highway; antiRepublicrat
antirepublicrat is an Apple stooge/lackey. Any chance he gets him and his minions try to be the Apple rah rah cheerleaders while pissing in the pool on Microsoft/PC threads

Now you are unwise. AntiRepublicrat is right on the money regarding DRM.

145 posted on 02/21/2009 7:27:05 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: ColdWater
Oh, so you admit that the BSOD if basically a legend of old. Thanks.

Just because Win comes stock set to reboot on BSOD doesn't mean it isn't there. And a restart-loop on fault isn't any better, and is often worse, as one cannot get an error code.

And BSOD stops are still quite common if Win fails in the boot process before the reg is fully loaded, and on driver/hardware failures.

So yes, folks still know the BSOD.

146 posted on 02/21/2009 7:40:40 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: calex59
Eventually they brought out Win95 C version I believe, and cured most of the problems

For the record, that was Win950B... Other than that, you are on the money.

147 posted on 02/21/2009 7:44:18 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: roamer_1
And BSOD stops are still quite common if Win fails in the boot process before the reg is fully loaded, and on driver/hardware failures.

And, how would you propose that Windows repair hardware failures?

148 posted on 02/21/2009 7:48:57 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: calex59
Count yourself lucky if you have only seen it twice in 10 years!

Uh, only once and it was not a Windows problem.

149 posted on 02/21/2009 7:50:29 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
And, how would you propose that Windows repair hardware failures?

That was not the point- You suggest the BSOD is never seen, which is patently false, and then use the one condition I proposed which is beyond hope as your rebuttal.

Windows usually repairs nothing on a BSOD, auto-restart or not. If Win is not fully loaded, the BSOD is still a full_stop, regardless of the error. If Win has loaded enough to use the auto-restart key, the usual result is a fault-restart loop.

The only difference auto-restart has made is that the user has no idea what is happening, and if Safe isn't available, the tech has nothing but bootlog.txt for diag, without resorting to a miniWin bootable in order to access the error log to get the stop code. Or one can use a miniWin bootable to shut off Auto-restart-on-fail in the host reg in order to get a BSOD and find the stop code that way.

Either way, the point remains that Win offers a full_stop BSOD in conditions where win is not fully up yet, which was my point. The BSOD is alive and well.

150 posted on 02/21/2009 8:19:18 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: roamer_1
Either way, the point remains that Win offers a full_stop BSOD in conditions where win is not fully up yet, which was my point. The BSOD is alive and well.

But rarely seen or heard from.

151 posted on 02/21/2009 8:24:38 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; calex59
Uh, only once

I, too, find that assertion to be beyond credibility. The only way that seems possible to me is if you started your new Windows machine ten years ago, encountered a BSOD, rubbed it off and installed Linux.

152 posted on 02/21/2009 8:26:04 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: ColdWater
But rarely seen or heard from.

I find it to be anything but rare. I see them every day.

153 posted on 02/21/2009 8:28:13 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: roamer_1
I see them every day.

Blue screens every single day? I haven't seen one in years, and the few times I did ever see one I or someone else immediately fixed it. Why would you continue to leave systems that are that poorly configured in that state?

154 posted on 02/21/2009 8:52:21 PM PST by Golden Eagle (In God We Trust)
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To: Golden Eagle
Blue screens every single day? I haven't seen one in years, and the few times I did ever see one I or someone else immediately fixed it. Why would you continue to leave systems that are that poorly configured in that state?

I am a service tech. The machines with the BSODs are coming across my bench. My own machines do not have such problems, but even I would not make the claim that my gear has only given one BSOD in ten years.

155 posted on 02/21/2009 9:02:36 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: roamer_1

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


156 posted on 02/21/2009 9:10:47 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: roamer_1

I’m sure you can attest that at least 40-50% of BSOD has more to do with user error or ignorance. People that blindly install crap on their system or people I have seen that have multiple instances of AOL on their computer. Sometimes I feel sorry for Windows and their hardware with all that crap conflicting with each other.


157 posted on 02/21/2009 9:18:04 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: roamer_1

I’m an IT manager of a large enterprise and we have problems of some sort every day too, but never, or hardly ever, any blue screens. UAE/GPF errors were more common with Windows 98 and are usually only the result of poor 3rd party peripheral or application behavior, and we’re just careful about what we let people buy and load without us testing it first. If you’ve got tons of them still happening it’s probably 1 particular item that many users have that is causing it, either that or outdated HW/OS. Doesn’t sound like a great place to work, good luck getting it sorted out.


158 posted on 02/21/2009 9:29:19 PM PST by Golden Eagle (In God We Trust)
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To: Blue Highway
I’m sure you can attest that at least 40-50% of BSOD has more to do with user error or ignorance.

I will agree with that heartily, but only in part- A good portion of "why" Windows is so susceptible to installation and user errors is a poorly defined user space. Until Vista (Maybe XP SP-3, too), any 'ol thing could get to Ring0, alter kernel tables, and etc... User space, program space, all shared in one big mess. Vista behaves itself much, much better in this regard (it really is a great improvement), but even so, is miles away from a reasonable method.

Secondly, dumbing down the GUI is an incredible mistake. M$ all but admits it's users to be stupid. I ran into an old warhorse of a secretary on a phone help session the other day... What a treasure. She was around for Win3x and was really quite comfortable in a cmdbox after I explained the need for quotes around pathnames. Completely capable in all aspects, just lacking specific knowledge.

So in large part, M$ brings it upon themselves...

Sometimes I feel sorry for Windows and their hardware with all that crap conflicting with each other.

Again, their own fault. Cornering the hardware market has consequences. Drivers should not be in the OS at all. They should be in the card, and should be universal. It ain't no damn piano.

159 posted on 02/21/2009 9:45:32 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: Golden Eagle
If you’ve got tons of them still happening it’s probably 1 particular item that many users have that is causing it, either that or outdated HW/OS. Doesn’t sound like a great place to work, good luck getting it sorted out.

I am not working *for* anyone. It is my own company. I serve SOHOS and residential, without the convenience of control of the users or the machines. Mine is the real world on the ground, and I like it fine. It gives one a unique perspective on troubleshooting and repair that one rarely encounters in the preemptive "castle" mentality of IT Depts.

One of my favorite pastimes is new viral strains found in the wild, crossing my bench- something I would not be given the time to deconstruct were I given the benefit of a steady paycheck.

Have a good evening.

160 posted on 02/21/2009 9:57:32 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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