Posted on 02/17/2009 6:40:55 PM PST by DBCJR
Edited on 02/18/2009 3:54:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate Obama Jr's father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas. But, (quoting a Mar.2, 2007 report in the Baltimore Sun), "an intriguing sliver of his [Obama Jr.] family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves, according to genealogical research and census records.
" . . . The records could add a new dimension to questions by some who have asked whether Obama - who was raised in East Asia and Hawaii and educated at Columbia and Harvard - is attuned to the struggles of American blacks descended from West African slaves." Obama Jr's African forebears were slave traders
In the 18th century, Muslim slavers moved into the interior of Kenya for the purpose of exploiting blood rivalries between local tribes. Muslims encouraged warring tribes, Obama Jr's Luo ancestors included, to capture "prisoners of war" and sell them into slavery.
Kenya tribe leaders, also exported slaves and ivory that had been exchanged by Africans from the interior for salt, cloth, beads, and metal goods. The slaves were then marched to the coast and shipped to Muslim Zanzibar (an island South of Kenya), to be traded again.
African slaves and ivory became hugely profitable and Zanzibar Muslims grew rich on the trade. Slave trading continued despite the public outrage in Europe demanding an end to all slave trade.
The British, eventually brought their forceful anti-slavery message directly to the Muslim Sultan.
After years of pressure, the Sultan finally relented and agreed to ban slavery in 1847. It was not until 1876, 11 years after the American Civil War had ended, that the sale of slaves was finally prohibited in Zanzibar.
Apparently quite a few on this discussion board.
Still think Obama looks like an Egyptian.
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I don’t think he has any African or if he does, very slight. The purple lips and gums are Mid East traits, not black or half and half.
Yeah but by that time, there will be nothing left for the Ayers types to live off of.
We will have the last laugh.
There are two major locations for this name, which I believe means "council fire" in Algonquin languages, and one is over near Stid Hill NY, and the other is just below the spot where the Mohawk flows into the Hudson. There may be others.
Several family genealogies on the internet refer to her ~ mostly a couple of generations down the line, but one I found referred to her husband. His father was a Dutch fur-trader and his mother was an Indian (a Brotherton as they later became known).
I know the primary story ~ about three Huguenot Brothers - has moved from site to site over the years.
That ought to be enough information for you to start tracking this person down.
Oh, yeah, the first time I ran into it was in a New York State document that covered the problem with the ballast under the New York Central railroad lines along the Hudson. Seems they consisted of the remains of an Indian ossuary about 7,000 years old. The railroad company that built the line simply used Indian bones rather than gravel.
The roadbed was replaced. The bones were returned to Shodack Island (after several decades of Hudson dredgings were relocated to someplace other than the oldest known ossuary in North America).
To say the least the characters in this story get mentioned a lot, but not all at the same time.
The Jewish lady's presence on Shodack was unusual. Jews had been allowed on Manhattan both before and after the time she showed up in history. But apparantly there was a period ~ a short one ~ when she arrived where they weren't. She got dumped on Shodack, others landed elsewhere.
I keep a close watch on all the "three brothers" stories as well as Shodak because our people in the direct male line supposedly start with "three brothers" at Shodak. No doubt others want to find out about that Jewish lady ~ who we may presume came from Nederland.
Another one to look out for is Maria/Marika von Stockholm ~ a woman on her own in New York who shows up in both the Hood and the Roosevelt genealogies. All I could ever find out was that she was kind of "deported" to New York ~ rather like that English story, "Moll Flanders".
An interesting ping sidenote
Obama's distant cousin, Gabriel Duvall, was a member of the US House of Representatives, from the second district of Maryland. In 1811, he was appointed to the Supreme Court, where he sat until 1834. He was also a friend of Thomas Jefferson and the owner of 37 slaves.
Whether Lincoln was an abolitionist or not, this statement is nonsense.
There were NEVER any taxes on exports of cotton, or indeed on exports of anything else.
Taxes were placed on imports, and a purchaser of the imported item in Iowa or New York paid exactly the same additional amount to cover the tariff as a buyer in South Carolina or Texas.
The war started over taxes on cotton exports.
Whether Lincoln was an abolitionist or not, this statement is nonsense.
There were NEVER any taxes on exports of cotton, or indeed on exports of anything else.
Taxes were placed on imports, and a purchaser of the imported item in Iowa or New York paid exactly the same additional amount to cover the tariff as a buyer in South Carolina or Texas.
I have posted a multitude of documentation on FR in the past, including an actual pdf file of a NY Times article in Feb 1862, saying that you are wrong. You are a victim of revisionist history.
Guess so.
Let me think about this... we can go this far back into his history in such great detail...but no one knows WHERE HE WAS BORN!!!
“Interesting, history is!” remarks Yoda.
Thanks, I’ll chase it down. I’m a history buff who does a lot of genealogy research, hence my interest. I appreciate your taking the time to post in length, since my initial (and admittedly brief) Shodack search didn’t net much of anything.
So, the great black hope’s great thread to American slavery happens to be that his WHITE ancestors were the slaveholders! And what does his father’s line show? I suppose they were the one’s selling their fellow Africans into slavery?! 0bama is taking us all down with his incompetence as only the Demonrats know how. This is the best lesson against racism and affirmative action because it’s been nothing but a sham.
“Most importantly, many Indians owned black slaves. By 1824, it is estimated that the Cherokee owned 1,277 black slaves; the Choctaw and the Chickasaw held over 5,000 blacks in slavery by 1860. Some mixed-blood Indians, such as the Choctaw chief Greenwood Lefore and the Cherokee chief John Ross, owned between 100 and 400 enslaved blacks respectively. And when the southeastern Indians were forcefully marched west to present-day Oklahoma by the American government in the infamous “Trail of Tears” in the 1830s and 1840s, as many as 15,000 enslaved blacks were taken with them.”
http://www.slaveryinamerica.org/history/hs_es_indians_slavery.htm
I do not even know where to begin with the sorting of that basket of laundry.
OK. Post one legitimate historical reference to the taxation of cotton exports from the US and I will admit you are right.
AFAIK, exports from the US have NEVER been taxed. Tariffs are placed on imports.
The southern argument of the time was that since (untaxed) southern exports of cotton were what primarily paid for the (taxed) imports of tariffed items, the South was “really” paying for the imports.
I’m not an economist, so I’m unclear to what extent this argument is legitimate. I do know that to the extent it’s legitimate, it’s about the balance of trade between nations, not about whether an individual exporter is paying taxes.
Prior to the War, northern business interests were concerned about the effect of stopping cotton exports on the balance of trade. As it turned out, they didn’t have to worry. Union exports of manufactured items and agricultural produce increased dramatically during the War. (And none of those exports were taxed.)
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 9 (limitations on Congress):
No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
Yes, it was unconstitutional.
No, it was Kenyon ancestry, Balck Muslims, who were the slave traders, Africans selling Africans into slavery. Somehow that part gets left out of the call for reparations.
I have posted several, including a NY Times article (pdf file) dated April 1861.
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