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To: familyop; TenthAmendmentChampion

Lessons from Argentina’s economic collapse

http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/portal/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2079&Itemid=2

This is a powerful and important article, TAC has been posting on thread #1 from a different Argentina’s blog and they do indeed understand what it appears we are soon to learn.

On the Police Scanners, I had noticed that there a more serious break in’s early the morning and way too many children being shot on the streets.

Thank you for the link, I am glad that I read the article.


28 posted on 02/09/2009 1:51:29 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Here you go...

http://www.survivalblog.com/

http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm


38 posted on 02/09/2009 2:20:23 AM PST by NRA1776 (beans, bullets and bullion.... act now.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
"This is a powerful and important article, TAC has been posting on thread #1 from a different Argentina’s blog and they do indeed understand what it appears we are soon to learn."

Thanks! I'll have a look at that thread. The government in Argentina, with help from advisors from all over the world, has been broadcasting for some time that Argentina's rich, fine and dandy again. Even most people in neighboring places like Chile are convinced of that.

"On the Police Scanners, I had noticed that there a more serious break in’s early the morning and way too many children being shot on the streets."

Ah. Is it because you're closer to the border, perhaps? ...lot of terrible things coming from the "trafficantes" down that way, as some of my coworkers call them. There's not much of that going on up here. The dangers here are mostly different (very remote area, extreme cold, dangerous high passes in winter, higher costs, lack of hospitals and the like).

"Thank you for the link, I am glad that I read the article."

You're most welcome! There's a long story behind that link but well worth the read for wiser people here. IMHO, things here won't be exactly like they are in Argentina, even if the economy goes that far down here. There are a few long term cultural differences between there and here. Granted, though, we've been headed that way a little bit for a while (some unwisely discarded old morals, too much materialism, more European-like culture, etc.).

As for survival in general, I believe that our most important assets besides our own levels of discipline are our better neighbors. It's wise to keep our eyes, ears and minds attentive to which neighbors are more likely to be genuinely helpful. ...few and far between, but they are around. Over the past decade or so, we've found a few relatively good, helpful and patient neighbors around here.


68 posted on 02/09/2009 3:46:20 AM PST by familyop (Why am I suddenly reminded of volatile rich chicks in Central and South America?)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

from the link

not only that TSHTF (that we all knew) but that the world we once new no longer existed, and that this was not a hurricane, this was an ice age period, it wouldn’t just go away.

We understood it the same way a kid understands photosynthesis: Because a teacher coldly explained it to us, even used graphics. I slept 5 hours yesterday, 2 hours the day before yesterday. Saturday night I didn’t sleep at all. I’m already used to it. Deadlines at the University, staying late at night, drawing in CAD 3D, waiting until Renders are ready. It’s a competitive world out there, and no one sympathizes with what you are going through, they just want you to perform as expected, and the standard is always high. It happened 4 years ago, almost a year after the December 2001 crisis. It was a social studies class and this teacher, don’t remember if it was a he or a she, was explaining the different kinds of social pyramids. God! Now I remember more! We even had a text book with those darn, cruel pyramids! The first pyramid explained the basic society. A pyramid with two horizontal lines, dividing those on top (high social class) those in the middle (middle class) and the bottom of the pyramid (the poor, proletarian). The teacher explained that the middle of the pyramid, the middle class, acted as a cushion between the rich and the poor, taking care of the social stress. The second pyramid had a big middle section, this was the pyramid that represents 1st world countries. I which the bottom is very thin and arrows show that there is a possibility to go from low to middle class, and from middle to the top of the social pyramid. Our teacher explained that this was the classic, democratic capitalist society, and that on countries such as Europeans one, socialists, the pyramid was very similar but a little more flat, meaning that here is a big middle section, middle class, and small high and low class. There is little difference between the three of them.

The third pyramid showed the communist society. Where arrows from the low and middle class tried to reach the top but they bounced off the line. A small high society and one big low society, cushioned by a minimal middle class section of pyramid. Then we turned the page and saw the darned fourth pyramid. This one had arrows from the middle class dropping to the low, poor class.

“What is this?” Some of us asked.

The teacher looked at us. “This is us”

“It’s the collapsed country, a country that turns into 3rd world country like in pyramid five where there is almost no middle class to speak, one huge low, poor class , and a very small, very rich, top class.”

“What are those arrows that go from the middle to the bottom of the pyramid?” Someone asked.

You could hear a pin drop. “That is middle class turning into poor”.

I won’t lie, no one cried, though people rubbed their faces, held their heads and their breath.

No one cried, but we all knew at that very moment that all we thought, all we took for granted, simply was not going to happen.

“You see, the income from the middle class is not enough to function as middle class any more. Some from the top class fall to middle class, but the vast majority of the middle class turns into poor” Said the teacher.

I don’t know how many people in that room suddenly understood that he/she was poor.

The teacher continued “You see, we have a middle class that suddenly turns to poor, creating a society of basically poor people, there is no more middle class to cushion tensions any more. Middle class suddenly discovers that they are overqualified for the jobs they can find and have to settle for anything they can obtain, there for unemployment sky rockets, too much to offer, too little demand. You see they prepare, study for a job they are not going to get. You kids, you are studying Architecture because you simply wish to do so. Only 3 or 4 percent of you will actually find a job related to architecture.”

We all sat there, letting it all sink in. After a few months, it all proved to be true. Even the amount of students that dropped out of college increased to at least 50%. They either so no point in studying something that would not make much of a difference in their future salaries, had no money to keep themselves in college, or simply had to drop college to work and support their families.

Someone once said, in this forum, that if this had happened in USA, the social unrest would have been much worse, because people from S. America are stronger. At first, I told him that I didn’t think so, I said that all humans adapt when they have no other choice. But now that I consider it more, maybe he was right. Not that S. Americans are stronger, but they are more used to adversities. Most of us are children from grandparents that escaped civil war, either in Spain or dictators in Italy, our parents survived the dirty war, even more dictators, and therefore their children are of strong character too. Can USA citizens survive what we survived? Of course they can, though I think that there are too many that are not like you, many that don’t prepare, and take everything for granted. Those are the ones that will be responsible for the increase in the social unrest once the SHTF, those that were too lazy to take care of themselves before the SHTF, or that had gone soft through out the years, believing that the government will “take care of them because they pay their taxes”. But in the end, they will pull through. People will adapt, they always do. You’d be surprised. And those that don’t want to adapt to the new reality they live in, will die young, thus cleaning the gene pool and ensuring the continuity of the specie. It’s been this way for thousands of years.


1,057 posted on 02/13/2009 7:22:38 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: nw_arizona_granny

“Lessons from Argentina’s economic collapse”

That is the most haunting article I’ve ever read. It’s amazing how fast things go south.

Thank you for posting it.


1,688 posted on 02/17/2009 10:36:06 PM PST by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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5,962 posted on 04/02/2009 6:17:47 AM PDT by pdunkin (I feel more like I do now than I did this morning.)
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