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To: packrat35
This crap won’t stop till cops start to die instead of us or our pets.

If cops weren't getting killed, there wouldn't be so many innocent civilians being killed.

While I'm very much against the JBTs, you should note that many good cops are, too, and that you'll likely find cops in the trenches with us as 0bama's offensive gears up.

And I do hope you have as much anger toward criminals who threaten good cops to the point that they get aggressive to protect themselves.

96 posted on 02/07/2009 5:04:52 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

“And I do hope you have as much anger toward criminals who threaten good cops to the point that they get aggressive to protect themselves”

There was NO evidence there were criminals there. In fact most of the evidence presented, including false statements to get a warrant, point to guys who just wanted to dress up in ninja suits and bust heads.

Look at the map of the CATO institute study. There are too many cops and DEA who are just spoiling for a fight.

Who ever it does not matter. For too many it is a case of once they draw the sword it can not be sheathed until it has had blood on it.

That is what the evidence shows is the case in too many raids/home invasions.


104 posted on 02/07/2009 5:13:14 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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To: Gondring

I agree with you. One of the more sensible comments on this topic - haven’t seen too many I’m afraid.

My husband was a good, decent police officer for 25 years and he’s now retired. He has scars from being knifed, had broken bones and had guns drawn on him. He has two life-saving accomodations. One for running into a burning house to rescue a woman, the other for finding an elderly man who had wandered away from a nursing home, and my husband found him along the railroad tracks. He would have froze to death, or been hit by a train if my husband didn’t find him when he did. Those are just two examples of his dedication to his job and society. Although he was in many dangerous situations, he always came home, thank God. Excuse me for being selfish, but I didn’t care (and still don’t, since he still works as an investigator) what he has to do to come home to me. Some may ask, why did he go through all of that and stick with it? Because he knew in his heart he was doing the right thing - even, unfortunately, if it meant putting his life on the line to protect probably a lot of people with the same narrow-minded ideas of cops as a number of people on here seem to have.

I’m certainly not defending the SWAT officers in this case. I just want to set the record straight, for the people who are basically saying to kill the “pigs” and other such ignorant comments, you are putting my husband’s life at even more risk, and I don’t appreciate it. My husband has to deal with enough danger out there. I don’t have a problem with someone voicing their disapproval of perhaps a police officer doing the wrong thing. But for someone to actually state that cops need to start dying instead of a dog? Those cops have wives and children, and they are fighting a battle every day.

And Gondring, I also agree that we likely will find alot of cops that are against Obama. The FOP (Fraternal Order of Police) are one of the very FEW unions who consistently support and endorse Republicans (as they did in this past election). My husband is a strong conservative and so are all of his friends who are officers. Many of them are strong Republicans and good Americans who have served their country in the military and continue serving their country by protecting society here at home. My husband also fought in Vietnam (while the hippies who called cops “pigs” burned their draft cards).


142 posted on 02/07/2009 6:34:47 PM PST by November Gale (Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?)
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To: Gondring
If cops weren't getting killed, there wouldn't be so many innocent civilians being killed.

I disagree. Here are the annual number of LE deaths from shootings for 1998-2007. The following series begins with 2007's numbers and ends with 1998's: 68 54 60 59 50 60 72 53 46 63. This data came from nleomf.org

If you included only the ones who were killed serving conventional warrants, the numbers would be smaller. This was during the years SWAT raids became more common.

While I'm very much against the JBTs, you should note that many good cops are, too, and that you'll likely find cops in the trenches with us as 0bama's offensive gears up.

How many good cops are speaking out against this thuggish behavior? Has their union ever made any critical statements? I do not share your optimism.

189 posted on 02/07/2009 9:04:31 PM PST by Ken H
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