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Just looking for some additional thoughts on what is possible...
1 posted on 02/07/2009 5:48:27 AM PST by BobL
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I forgot the Second Amendment, but let’s just say that military-style training is required in High School, along with some military or civilian service. We should use Israel as our role-model here...as we may not have many friends.


2 posted on 02/07/2009 5:51:03 AM PST by BobL
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It will take someone with real 'nads and a low flake quotient to stand up and lead it, but yeah, I'd be willing to plight my troth to "S" if the Constitution as the founders wrote it can be restored somewhere on the continent. Don't count on Iowa to come along, though-- the state population has suffered 66% lobotomization via the NEA. The niteowl clan is willing to relocate and work for our bread just like past generations.

Mr. niteowl

3 posted on 02/07/2009 6:12:46 AM PST by niteowl77 (You wanted him, and now you have got him. I say, "Good day to you," America.)
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Honestly I think we are seeing more of the F-word (Fascism) than the S-word (Socialism). But both are equally on display with Obama Soetoro and his left wing legions and radicals.

Or Constitutional rights to Representation are under attack and the demorats are working towards embedding their political power into all aspects of the private sector.

Eveything for the State. Politically enforced Union with the State.

Both Socialism (Marxism) and Fascism (Progressive) are the children ideologies of Dictatorship.

We are where we are now because both ideolgies have manifested here in the United States. First the Progressive movement which started with Woodrow Wilson and then the Marxist sixtes counter-culture revoluion.

Now the two are combining right before our eyes.


4 posted on 02/07/2009 6:20:42 AM PST by TheBigIf
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Any state that wants to do this is going to run into a few problems, a major one being people who rely on their SS for income.

Assuming that SS payments would just stop, and that residents would no longer have federal taxes withheld from their paychecks, an idea to fix this is to sanction legitimate charities with the ability for donors to set up withholding for whatever amount the donor wishes to donate.

I don’t know about you, but if they stopped taking close to half my pay, I’d be willing to donate a good bit to help folks in the state who needed assistance.

This way, help would go to people who really needed it, and nobody would be forced by the state to participate.

Just a thought...it would cut down on propaganda sob stories anyway.


5 posted on 02/07/2009 7:06:11 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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Don't expect much from Mississippi. I think half or more of the population here in on some form of welfare. This state is addicted to the government tit and the corruption here makes Illinois look as pure as the driven snow.
6 posted on 02/07/2009 7:33:55 AM PST by Tupelo
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Hey, if it happens, I’m coming down there.


20 posted on 02/07/2009 9:44:09 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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Now would be a good time to start thinking about relocating to Texas. I know a lot of us already have.


24 posted on 02/07/2009 10:09:09 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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When Texas becomes an independent republic again, maybe I can get one of my cousins to sponsor me so I cam be a legal immigrant to the ‘new’ Republic of Texas.


26 posted on 02/07/2009 10:14:09 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (ESPN MNF: 3 Putzes talking about football on TV while I'm trying to watch a game.)
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I like your idea. IF we can get rid of the NM RAT governor, maybe NM will vote in our right to secede too. Then we would have the entire south and southwest in place to secede. I KNOW AZ has and I "think" CA has it in place too. IF they don't, then I will move to TX. I was born 11 miles from the TX border so I already speak the language. LOL

I think it would be a good idea to start having conventions/meetings with people from all of those states, and others (like me) who would move to one of those states if necessary. We have seen the enemy and there's no point in waiting to see how much further they can destroy America before we take action.

32 posted on 02/07/2009 4:44:53 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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That first paragraph nicely sums it all up.

With CA now shutting down, TX (and all other states) should begin contingency plans for total federal failure.


34 posted on 02/07/2009 4:54:46 PM PST by ctdonath2
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What about Arizona?


40 posted on 02/07/2009 5:25:59 PM PST by webschooner
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I'm from Minnesota but grew up in Wisconsin. I love the seasons & the upper mid-west & deer hunting in the north woods!!! Unfortunately there must something in the water to make so many hard working rural people & Scandanavian descendants (of which I am one of those as well) to vote election after election for the most liberal retards that are elected to represent our states. Unbelievable. So I will be down to join you. I already have a sister & brother in law near Dallas and a brother who bought a ranch near McAllen. Count me in!!!

ps. Just don't let GW Bush or any of the New World Order globalists anywhere near the government!!!

48 posted on 02/07/2009 6:39:21 PM PST by rcrngroup
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I’m all for “S” and wish it would have happened 65 years ago, but what are we going to do about all the federally-owned land in those states?


53 posted on 02/08/2009 9:02:24 AM PST by azlinda (Welcome to the continuing Demoncrat pity party.)
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It could start this way:

California Counties May Delay Payments to State
2/06/09

Due to the ongoing budget crisis in California, the state can’t send money to the counties, so some counties are returning the favor.

http://www.cbs47.tv/mostpopular/story/California-Counties-May-Delay-Payments-to-State/rKLutEjH8kua09e0JZiOPw.cspx


55 posted on 02/08/2009 9:57:00 AM PST by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism)
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move to Calgary, if ya wanna do the S-word.

we aren’t letting the liberals secede.


57 posted on 02/08/2009 10:01:06 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT
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Ping


61 posted on 02/08/2009 10:17:25 AM PST by mek1959
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Can we come to the party too?

Alaskan Independence Party

62 posted on 02/08/2009 10:20:02 AM PST by Species8472 (The evil has landed)
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Texas is not seceding my friend, nor do a significant number of Texans want to secede. We're rather firm in our self-identification as Americans.

As for you list, I'll give you my opinion on each.

1) We could seal off our southern border, once and for all.

I personally think the issue is overblown, but a secure border is never a bad thing.

2) We can real employee verification for legal status.

Again no real problem, but it won't be free, and I'd like to know how much it's going cost and who's going to pay for it.

3) English as the Official Language

Little more than jingoism or worse. The Acadme France` is laughable at the lengths it goes through to keep French the official language of France.

4) Real welfare reform (or elimination…go to a church if you need help)

If it would work, it's not a bad idea. The problem is that if it doesn't work, which I suspect it wouldn't, your population will once again be screaming for government to do something. What most fail to understand about this issue is that the general public will only tolerate seeing so many impoverished children, bums in the street, and so much poverty driven street crime before they'll demand that government do something.

5) We could by trucks, light bulbs, toilets that flush, washing machines that clean, and SUVs again (yes, they will still be built for China).

We can buy trucks and SUVs right now. I drive an SUV myself. My neighbor just bought a new dualie.

6) We could buy those vehicles without air bags and with a much less costly (but still very effective) emission control system.

The airbag issue resonates with whom exactly? Is there really enough pent up frustrations over the vaunted airbag issue to gain any political ground? I think not.

7) We could build and expand refineries, and burn coal…as much as necessary

Not a good idea. Nuclear is a much better option.

8) We could finally reform public schools, by getting rid of tenure, teachers unions, calculators, and most computers. In other words do what has worked in the past (and hopefully have Dr. Sowell as the Education Secretary…if we have one)

No, no, and simply no. Even as homeschoolers, computers have been a central part of our curriculum. Education needs to look forward and embrace technology, not emulate third world countries who are 70 years behind us.

9) Children could have a moment of silence without some ACLU guy screaming

Our first point of total agreement.

10) We could handle abortion as we wish (rather than having 9 dead [or almost dead] judges dictate to us).

Not really. You'd just trade one set of judges for another. It might have favorable results, it might not.

11) We could drill off-shore.

Two points of total agreement.

12) We could build as many nukes as we need or want, simply by going to France and either having them manage the task or license their (flawless) technology to us. We could then export our excess power (particularly wind power) either north or south.

Three points.

13) We could eliminate labor unions and become competitive with the rest of the world. Sounds drastic, but their time has passed, and labor will have plenty of means of redress.

No. You have the unalienable right to associate freely, which the Founders found important enough to place in the first amendment. If you want to join together with 3 of your coworkers, and bargain with your employer as a trio, it's your right and government has no right to intervene.

14) We could straighten our legal system, both criminal and civil. No more last minute appeals to federal court to stop executions, no more predatory lawsuits.

This might be a good thing.

15) Needless to say, endangered species would be on their own…we are not going to sink our economy or destroy people’s lives to save something that doesn’t deserve to survive in the first place.

Good luck finding popular support on that one. I know you lost me for certain.

16) No more drawn out processes to block economic growth. There will be some processes, like streamlined environmental reviews, but those the permitting process will have to be done in something like a year (at most) – with no room for judicial interference.

Provided your streamlined processes work, it sounds good to me.

17) No more threats from Washington to force seat belts or rebrand social drinkers as drunk drivers, due to a bunch of guilt-ridden loud-mouthed women (and no, I’ve ALWAYS worn my seat belt, long before it was required, and yes, we do need drunk driving laws…but not at 2 beers – and no, I never had a DUI).

Sounds good to me.

18) End (to the extent possible) the intrusion of Big Brother into our society. One way is to pay for roads with the gas tax. If the tax is not high enough, then raise it. But don’t stick someone in a database every time they drive out to get milk. Same for “Smart (electric) Meters”…you’ll be hearing about just what they are capable of soon enough.

There isn't enough detail to be sure, but on the surface it just looks like you want to trade one devil for another.

19) No more anchor babies.

Without knowing your criteria for citizenship, I can't say whether I agree or disagree.

20) Free market for health care (or at least much less restricted – such as the ability to buy insurance that doesn’t cover substance abuse…for those of us who don’t plan to abuse substances)

Don't be surprised if your premiums don't move much.

64 posted on 02/08/2009 10:24:32 AM PST by Melas
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Sign me and mine up!

Molon Labe!

66 posted on 02/08/2009 10:30:08 AM PST by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)")
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if Michigan or Vermont tries to secede, they will be crushed. They will not be allowed to get away from our Constitutional Republic.

California will be crushed, too. But i doubt they would try it.

The Obama administration: showing the American people every day why there needs to be a GOP House takeover in ‘10. Twenty-one months and counting.


74 posted on 02/08/2009 11:44:53 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT
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