[ClearCase_guy]

Turtles have lived a long time without changing much.

There are a lot of animals that have lived a long time without changing much. On the other hand, many of the animals that are seen as evidence that species change are actually extinct. They tell me that the change is to help them survive, but I'm not sure how well that works. Turtles, cockroaches, sponges, coelecanths, horseshoe crabs, these things seem to have started out so well that they didn't need to change in order to adapt to changing environments.

Weird, huh?

[Robert A Cook PE]

So, this guy has worked for years just to find out where turtles come from. Cool.

But, I generally suspect that almost all turtles come out from the inside of their shell. (Those that don't come out from the inside of their shell, are usually found quite quietly dead, which is not a good thing for future evolutions.)

Then again, most (male) turtles that don't come outside their shell don't reproduce very well either - which we are also taught is not a good evolutionary doctrine.

So, we are back to the question:

Which comes out first? The turtle outside of the shell, or the turtle inside the shell?