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The Anti-Psychotic Myth Exposed?
Psychminded.com ^ | 4/2/08 | Adam James

Posted on 01/29/2009 6:14:20 PM PST by bdeaner

Anti-psychotics are not effective long-term, shrink the brain and almost triple the risk of dying early, a London NHS psychiatrist and academic has written in a new book. Isn't it about time for a deep examination of the validity of such drugs asks Adam James?

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Christian was slouched in a chair in Bradford psychiatric unit. He was, seemingly, only half-conscious, half alive. He could hardly speak, let alone raise his head.

Christian had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Two days before, in a haze of paranoia, he had punched a colleague of mine at a day centre. So Christian was sectioned and medicated, heavily, with neuroleptics. Most, on seeing Christian would have described him as being so whacked out he was a dribbling wreck. Treatment-advisory body, the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice) would say the neuroleptics had successfully “calmed” Christian, in preparation for treating the “underlying psychiatric condition”.

Neuroleptics – such as Clozapine, Olanzapine, Risperidone and Seroquel – are the “primary treatment” for psychosis, particularly schizophrenia. Indeed, 98-100 per cent of people diagnosed with schizophrenia inside our psychiatric units – and 90% living in the community – are on neuroleptics, also called anti-psychotics. “There is well established evidence for the efficacy of anti-psychotic drugs”, Nice told mental health professionals in its guidelines for the treatment of schizophrenia.

Nice claims a similar efficacy for the widely-prescribed SSRI anti-depressants in treating depression. Some researchers disagree. A recent widely-publicised meta-analysis asserted that SSRIs are no more clinically beneficial than placebo for mild and moderate depression. London NHS psychiatrist Joanna Moncrieff is one such dissenting researcher. But she has conducted a far wider examination of psychiatric drugs, and has endeavoured to expose the “myth” of anti-psychotics. She claims there is no sufficient evidence to support their long-term use and they cause brain damage, a fact which is being "fatally” overlooked. Plus, because of a cocktail of vicious side-effects, anti-psychotics almost triple a person’s risk of dying prematurely.

Moncrieff, also a senior lecturer at University College London, particularly strikes out at her own profession, psychiatry, claiming it is ignoring the negative evidence for anti-psychotics. In her book, The Myth of The Chemical Cure, Moncrieff argues the increasing prescribing of these drugs is unleashing an epidemic of drug-induced problems. She argues, effectively, that psychiatry is guilty of gross scientific misconduct.

Having scrutinised decades of clinical trials, Moncrieff's first point is that once variables such as placebo and drug withdrawal effects are accounted for, there is no concrete evidence for antipsychotic long-term effectiveness.Moncrieff’s interpretation of the relevant meta-analyses and trials is radically different to Nice which arrived at an opposite conclusion for antipsychotic effectiveness.

At the heart of dissent against psychiatry through the ages has been its use of drugs, particularly anti-psychotics, to treat distress. Do such drugs actually target any “psychiatric condition”. Or are they chemical control, a socially-useful reduction of the paranoid, deluded, distressed, bizarre and odd into semi-vegetative zombies? Historically, whatever dissenters thought has been largely ignored. So, it appears, have new studies which indicate anti-psychotics are not effective long-term. For example, a US study last year in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease reported that people diagnosed with schizophrenia and not taking anti-psychotics are more likely to recover than those on the drugs. The study was on 145 patients, and researchers reported that, after 15 years, 65 per cent of patients on anti-psychotics were psychotic, whereas only 28% of those not on medication were psychotic. An intriguing finding, surely? So what about the mainstream media headlines of “breakthrough in schizophrenia treatment”? Afterall, broadsheets react positively to the plethora of alleged genetic "breakthroughs" in schizophrenia, even when it comes to genetically-engineered schizophrenic mice. But there wasn't a squeak.

Interestingly, the researchers of the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease paper hypothesised that it was patients with "inner strength”, “better self esteem” and “inner resources” who were more likely to recover long-term without neuroleptics. However, not one peer-reviewed study examining the necessary individual characteristics and support networks to live through psychosis without drugs has, in the last 48 years, appeared in The British Journal of Psychiatry, the publication that each month drops through the letter box of every psychiatrist in the land.

The “psychological factors” of, for example, inner strength, are, perhaps more the terrain for clinical psychologists. Such as Rufus May who was compulsory treated with anti-psychotics when diagnosed with schizophrenia as an 18-year-old.

May argues withdrawal effects of anti-psychotics often get wrongly interpreted as “relapse”. So, he has launched a website advising people how safely to come off psychiatric drugs. Many patients, like May (who perhaps had the required "inner strength”), have successfully come off anti-psychotics and gone on to recover. The irony is that they frequently have had to do it behind the backs of their psychiatrists, who fear relapse.

Moncrieff’s second point is that the psychiatric establishment, underpinned by the pharmaceutical industry, has glossed over studies showing that anti-psychotics cause extensive damage, the most startling being permanent brain atrophy (brain shrinkage) and tardive dyskinesia. As in other neurological conditions patients suffer involuntary, repetitive movements, mental impairment, memory loss and behaviour changes. Brain scans show that anti-psychotics cause atrophy within a year, alerts Moncrieff. She accuses her colleagues of risking creating an “epidemic of iatrogenic brain damage”. Moncrieff is a hard-nosed scientist, so she is respectfully reserved. But her carefully-chosen words are still alarming. "It is as if the psychiatric community can not bear to acknowledge its own published findings,” she writes.

How worrying it is, also, that the Healthcare Commission should report last year that almost 40 per cent of people with psychosis are on levels of anti-psychotics exceeding recommended limits. Such levels cause heart attacks. Indeed the National Patient Safety Agency claims heart failure from anti-psychotics is a likely cause for some of the 40 average annual “unexplained” deaths of patients on British mental health wards. Other effects of anti-psychotics include massive weight gain (metabolic impairment) and increased risk of diabetes. Two years ago, The British Journal of Psychiatry - Britain’s most respected psychiatry journal - published a study reporting that people on anti-psychotics were 2.5 times likely to die prematurely. The researchers warned there was an “urgent need” to investigate whether this was due to anti-psychotics. But so engrained is the medication culture in mental health that many psychiatrists regard that not medicating early with anti-psychotics amounts to negligence, Moncrieff notes.

Moncrieff does acknowledge there is evidence for the short-term effectiveness of anti-psychotics. But again Moncrieff asks psychiatry to be honest. Moncrieff points out that when anti-psychotics, such as chlorpromazine, were first used in the fifties they were called “major tranquillisers.” Why? Because that’s an accurate description of their effect, particularly short term. They sedate, numb, or tranquillise, the emotions, so reducing the anxiety of paranoia and delusions. Any person on anti-psychotics would verify this (Go to askapatient.com). So, in this respect, they are effective. Nowadays, however, these drugs are referred to as “anti-psychotics”. For Moncrieff, this is a wheeze because there’s no evidence that anti-psychotics act directly on the “symptoms” – paranoia, delusions, hallucinations – of those diagnosed with psychosis. There’s nothing anti-psychotic about anti-psychotics.

Embedded in Moncrieff’s thesis is that, unlike other medical conditions, there is no evidence that psychiatric illnesses, including schizophrenia, are caused by physical abnormalities. As clinical psychologist Mary Boyle penned it, schizophrenia is a "scientific delusion” which drugs can never cure.

The alternatives? Moncrieff - like her fellow psychiatrists in a group called the Critical Psychiatry Network - asks services to look seriously at non-drug approaches, such as the Soteria Network in America. She believes psychiatrists such as herself should no longer have unparalleled powers to forcibly detain and treat patients with anti-psychotics. Instead, they should be “pharmaceutical advisers” engaging in “democratic drug treatment” with patients. Psychiatrists should be involved in “shared decision-making” with patients, and would have to go to civil courts to argue their case for compulsory treatment. "Psychiatry would be a more modest enterprise” writes Moncrieff, “no longer claiming to be able to alter the underlying course of psychological disturbance, but thereby avoiding some of the damage associated with the untrammeled use of imaginary chemical cures.”

Mental health policy is, it appears, swinging away from a reliance on antidepressants. Surely a deep re-examination of the true validity of anti-psychotics is also due?


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: antipsychotic; mania; psychiatry; psychosis; ssris
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To: bdeaner

She was taken off of the anti-psychotics when she was no longer psychotic. They are not part of her regular medications.

Her pyschoses were a direct result of not taking bipolar meds.


61 posted on 01/30/2009 8:57:50 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz
So she was on them for a short time? Like a month or two? If so, that might explain why she never developed any of the side effects that happen with long-term, chronic use of these medications ("long term" meaning longer than 3-6 months).

Have you ever seen a person with severe akithesia caused by anti-psychotic drugs? It's got to be the closest thing on earth to a living hell. It develops in a very large porportion of people who take anti-psychotic drugs over a long period of time--the risk increasing exponentially with every year the person is on the medication. So, I am glad your mom is off the anti-psychotics -- probably weaned from them after they were no longer needed. They worked for her, which is great, and now she is not at risk, because she is functioning without them. That's a happy ending. Awesome.
62 posted on 01/30/2009 9:04:41 AM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: dmz
Check out this article on drug reps. Not to beat a dead horse on the drug rep comment earlier -- I admit it was an inflammatory statement -- but it's hard for me to construe a job like this as anything remotely more noble in profession than a prostitute. How do these people live with themselves everyday?
63 posted on 01/30/2009 9:11:32 AM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner; dmz
Doctor spends a year marketing Effexor part time for Wyeth

Long but very revealing.

64 posted on 01/30/2009 11:03:21 AM PST by agrace
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To: bdeaner
I see that you failed to address the substance of my reply which is your off-putting style of posting. You do yourself no favors in making your case using all caps (which is considered cyber-shouting) and all that bolding for emphasis.

Using the phrase "what your problem is" in conversation and referring to somebody as "dude" isn't the most gracious or intelligent manner in which to make a point.

You could be absolutely correct, but if your replies make you look like an ass, who gives a rat's bum what you say?

65 posted on 01/30/2009 12:03:27 PM PST by Tidbit
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To: Tidbit
I see that you failed to address the substance of my reply which is your off-putting style of posting.

In my recent reply, I did not use bold letters or capital letters, as you requested. What do you want from me? You still haven't addressed the substance of the critique, only the rhetoric.
66 posted on 01/30/2009 12:10:56 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: agrace

Thanks for the link to this article. I’ll check it out.


67 posted on 01/30/2009 12:19:56 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: agrace
GREAT ARTICLE!!!

By the way, do you know about Daniel Carlat's blog? See here. AWESOME.
68 posted on 01/30/2009 2:32:57 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: agrace
GREAT ARTICLE!!!

By the way, do you know about Daniel Carlat's blog? See here. AWESOME.
69 posted on 01/30/2009 2:33:00 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner

Didn’t know he had a blog - I simply stumbled upon that article months ago doing research. Thanks much for the link!


70 posted on 01/30/2009 3:12:20 PM PST by agrace
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To: bdeaner
The stuff is being handed out like candy now to kids and the aged even when no seriou

hyperbole , since I've been admonished that I can't call it what it is. The article contains the paragraph that was scrubbed by the moderator, you are misinforming Freepers across the board that psychiatrists have some recourse to administer meds forcibly. This is a ...hyperbolic statement.

71 posted on 01/30/2009 3:28:50 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Zevonismymuse
when the environment was peaceful.

it's a fine approach, just throw away the key to the real world. Also, hope that you can maintain a staff for long periods of time that will not become abusive or exploitative , maybe it would work by paying them a lot of money. But I read what bdeaner said, he minimizes the illnesses, to say anything else is...hyperbole.

72 posted on 01/30/2009 3:34:08 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner
It's got to be the closest thing on earth to a living hell.

a propagandist's statement from someone who has displayed very little knowledge.How many other medical conditions could I possibly list? Many strokes obviously are far worse, and in spite of your continual theme of arrogant, ignorant doctors who never discuss med problems with patients, your statistics are incredibly overblown. You're incredibly gullible to believe them and deceitful to try to slip them into the discussion under the cover of your self proclaimed superior knowledge. There's a Ph.D. named Roberts at Johns Hopkins, undoubtedly a prestigious university, who publishes extreme statistics about Iraq War casualties, defends them and has many supporting citations. All are working off the same agenda. Just so with yourself, your sheepskin is cut of the same cloth.

73 posted on 01/30/2009 3:50:51 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner
The only disorder that has any historical link with the VERY outdated concept of dementia praecox is schizophrenia, and that description, from Kraplein, is of a particular kind of psychosis that is hebephrenic and progressively degenerative in nature

just amazing the level of arrogance and deceit that you attempt here. To quote one of many possible citations, Buchsbaum and Hazlett in Neurobiology of Mental Illness , ed. Charney and Nestler, Oxford ,2004, p.855-56:"Dementia praecox, an early name for schizophrenia and the gradual appearance of deficits in executive function and memory with progressive impairment in social or occupational function, certainly characterizes many patients with schizophrenia." That is, the concept of Dementia praecox is in no regard limited in the way you describe. You've read DSM , that's the extent of your knowledge.

74 posted on 01/30/2009 4:25:35 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
I'm going to ignore the ad hominem remarks. At least you have something, a citation, this time -- at least some attempt to support your opinion -- rather than nothing but ad hominem remarks.

Unfortunately, your quotation fails to support your charges that I mischaracterized daementia praecox. The Charney and Nestler quotation supports my above statement on Dementia praecox: Notice they say "many" but not "all" schizophrenics fit Kraepelin's description of dementia praecox, which is precisely what I said! So, bizarrely, you accuse me of arrogance and deceit, then go on to support this personal attack by citing a quotation that states exactly the same thing I said -- which by your logic, would make you arrogant and deceitful I guess.

In your original statement, you conflated the two conditions -- assuming that dementia praecox is the same condition as schizophrenia. It is not. I explained to you the fact that Dementia praecox only explains some individuals with schizophrenia -- those who are hebrephrenic and whose condition is degenerative, which is exactly how Kraepelin described it. MANY cases of schizophrenia, per DSM-IV criteria, do not fit this description. The symptoms described by Kraepelin are a sub-set of the category of schizophrenia -- and not really, techically a sub-set, because it is an outdated concept that has long been invalidated -- which is why Eugen Bleuler developed a new categorical definition, which is "schizoprenia" as we know it today.

The framers of the DSM dropped the dementia praecox diagnosis, because it was not valid -- there were all kinds of problems with Kraepelin's model. That's why they adopted Bleuler's "schizophrenia" designation instead as the diagnostic category of choice.

Students pay a lot of money to hear me teach them this history. I know what I'm talking about. You can quote the history books, and you'll find nothing that contradicts what I have said. But, if you think you can, sure, give it a stab. So far, you have struck out.
75 posted on 01/30/2009 5:01:06 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: gusopol3
you are misinforming Freepers across the board that psychiatrists have some recourse to administer meds forcibly.

No, I never said that psychiatrists are forcibly medicating people. You are putting words in my mouth.
76 posted on 01/30/2009 5:03:22 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: gusopol3
But I read what bdeaner said, he minimizes the illnesses, to say anything else is...hyperbole.

Describe to me where and how I minimize "the illness." I have minimized nothing.
77 posted on 01/30/2009 5:05:25 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner
The alternatives? Moncrieff - like her fellow psychiatrists in a group called the Critical Psychiatry Network - asks services to look seriously at non-drug approaches, such as the Soteria Network in America. She believes psychiatrists such as herself should no longer have unparalleled powers to forcibly detain and treat patients with anti-psychotics. Instead, they should be “pharmaceutical advisers” engaging in “democratic drug treatment” with patients. Psychiatrists should be involved in “shared decision-making” with patients, and would have to go to civil courts to argue their case for compulsory treatment. "Psychiatry would be a more modest enterprise” writes Moncrieff, “no longer claiming to be able to alter the underlying course of psychological disturbance, but thereby avoiding some of the damage associated with the untrammeled use of imaginary chemical cures.”

Sorry . I thought you posted the article.

78 posted on 01/30/2009 5:27:14 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner
Dementia praecox, an early name for schizophrenia
79 posted on 01/30/2009 5:28:51 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
a propagandist's statement from someone who has displayed very little knowledge.

You blow a lot of air, but there is no substance to your arguments--it's all just personal attacks. When you attempt to refute my facts, you end up supporting my original statements. That doesn't give you much credibility when it comes to judging my credentials.

Now, your latest fit is apparently aimed at my statement that akathisia is like a living hell. Those are not my terms. That is how the condition is described by the patients themselves, in published case studies (e.g., here). And that's exactly how it appears to the outsider, too, watching the poor person who is experiencing what has been described as "internal torture." This condition does not have a natural cause. It is caused by anti-psychotic medication. That's a fact that cannot be disputed. Look it up yourself.

See for example, the British Medical Journal, which published a review on akathisia:

Akathisia (Greek "not to sit") is an extrapyramidal movement disorder consisting of difficulty in staying still and a subjective sense of restlessness. It is a recognised side effect of antipsychotic and antiemetic drugs but may also be caused by other widely prescribed drugs such as antidepressants. It is a difficult condition to detect reliably and may present unexpectedly in a variety of clinical settings. The patient's behaviour may be disturbed, treatment may be refused, or the patient may be suicidal and be mistaken for a psychiatric problem. We report three cases seen in the psycho-oncology service which improved when the offending drug was discontinued.

So are you going to suggest the British Medical Journal is part of this so-called conspiracy you claim I represent?
80 posted on 01/30/2009 5:31:22 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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