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FR Gun Club: Stupid Gun Mistakes EVERY Writer Makes
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Posted on 01/22/2009 8:28:18 AM PST by Petruchio

I made a partial list below (I'm sure Duane Thomas can add to it) of dumb things I see in novels and comics and movies in the area of firearms. A few of these (for dramatic license) I make myself. But they're still dumb.

THE SILENCED REVOLVER If you're dumb enough to put a silencer on a revolver then you'll discover that all the noise you hoped to suppress will escape from around the cylinder. See, an automatic is a sealed system allowing gas to vent only from the end of the barrel. So all your sound is coming from the barrel as well. A revolver is not sealed. There's a gap twixt the cylinder and the barrel where they meet. This gap allows the cylinder to turn. It also allows gas and noise to escape.

THE "EMPTY" AUTOMATIC We've all seen the scene where on adversary has the drop on another at the end of a gunfight. One guy holds out an automatic to the other guy's head, says a take away line ("This is where the rubber meets the road, scumbag.) and then…click. The gun's empty! Well, when an automatic has fired its last cartridge the slide atop the action locks back. They would both know the gun was empty. At the same time the firing mechanism locks back as well so no "click". If you need to have a scene like this make sure your character's armed with a revolver.

THE SUPER ACCURATE SNIPER SCOPE This one's common. I do it myself but only because most audiences don't understand how bullets track. It's the scene where we're looking through the sniper's scope and the crosshairs land on the intended quarry square on his or her head. There it is the president, the Queen mum, the guy who made it off of Survivor island and the posts are placed right on their kissers. This might work if the sniper was standing thirty yards away. But the problem is that bullets don't fire in a flat, straight line. The longer a bullet is in flight the slower it begins to travel and the more it loses altitude. This is called "the drop". A sniper must take into account the drop, the temperature, barometric pressure and wind direction and velocity when lining up a money shot. So, over a long distance you want to have your crosshairs above the target. If all is right under God's heavens then the bullet will then "drop" where you want it. I cover this one by having my shooters mention this aspect of long range sniping. And never aim for the head. You want a "center shot" or chest shot.

"THE CORDITE THICK AS FOG." Man, did I feel dumb about five years ago when Larry Hama went on a rant about this common gaffe. Everyone at one time or another mentions the "cordite stink" of gunsmoke in their stories. But it turns out that cordite was a chemical ingredient in gunpowder for only a very short time in the late 19th Century. So, unless you're writing about Highlanders fighting their way down the Khyber this one is a major boo-boo. I don't know who immortalized this error. Probaly a yellow journalist back then. It entered the lexicon of cliches next to "grieving loved ones" and "armed conflict" that are in every reporters bag o' cliches. I cringe now when I see even writers I admire refer to cordite.

KER-CHAK! We've all seen this one. The good or bad guy had been holding a shotgun on his opposite number for a while and, just for dramatic emphasis, racks back the pump to chamber a shell. Loud Ker-Chak! Then a take-away line. "Be sure to say 'hi' to your mama when you get to Hell!" This is very cool and dramatic and I do love that sound effect. But what this actually means is that the character has been threatening everyone with a gun that has no chambered round. If he pulled the trigger nothing would happen.

SHOOTING SIDEWAYS Your gangstas just have to be different. So they aim their handguns sideways and hunch over and kind of glare along their arm in lieu of actually aiming. In fact, when they do this their eyes aren't even looking at the site but at their victim. Intimidating your intended victims is all well and good. But it comes to naught if, when you finally start busting caps, you miss the other guy by six city blocks. There's a reason we hold guns vertically. It's a more natural pose considering that the barrel of a gun is going to leap up and back when each round goes off. It's a lot easier to lower that site back to it's original position than it is to go searching for them over a 180 degree radius. Ever see Davey Crockett hold his flintlock sideways? This way is just plain dumb.

THE STARSKY AND HUTCH WALL SLIDE This one's common. The cops are in a bunch with handguns held in both hands, barrels pointed skyward and arms tight to their chests as they sideways-slide along a wall down a hallway toward the lair of some badguys. The problem with this is, that when the shooting starts, plater walls do not a bunker make. Also, in a real life gunbattle, bullets bounce, tumble and tend to track along flat surfaces like walls and floors. In real life, cops blast off a few shots and hunt for substantial cover. From this cover they shout out dire threats of retribution until the bad guys give up, run away or are determined to have died in the first hail of gunfire. If you read enough police reports about firefights those hoods pumped to the double and triple digits with lead begin to make sense. The only way to even the odds in a gunfight is to take the other guy down in a hurry in the first few seconds of the fight.

"LOOKS LIKE A NINE OR A THIRTY EIGHT" The detective shows up at the homicide scene. Takes one glance at the bulletholes in the victim and pronounces the exact caliber of the murder weapon. Maybe, I say maybe, if the victim was a piece of plywood you could do this. But a bullethole in a person quickly fills with fluid and the area around it swells. All of this masks the true size of the bullethole. Even if you were good enough to tell the diameter of the various calibers of bullets at a glance (which would be difficult if you were looking at their exact diameters drawn on a piece of paper.) that talent would be useless on a fresh corpse.


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To: Hazwaste
Neither does my Christmas gift from my husband.....Beretta Tomcat Inox.... a gun I will carry as soon as my CHL arrives....... BTW Kel-Tec......nice
21 posted on 01/22/2009 8:46:58 AM PST by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: TalonDJ
How about when the author uses 'site' instead of 'sight' or 'sights' or 'sight picture'.

That could be due to UK spelling..

22 posted on 01/22/2009 8:47:02 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Petruchio

You might want to add to the list how after good guys and bad guys in a movie or TV show have fired God-knows how many rounds, that one or the other has their gun trained on one or the other and then practically whispers some snarky or profound comment to the other before firing the next shot.

Anyone who has ever fired a gun knows that without adequate hearing protection, your ears will suffer severe damage, temporarily or even permanently. That is why you will see law enforcement in real life shouting loudly after rounds are fired because otherwise no party involved may be able to hear well as well as wishing to be forceful and assertive.

Long story short, in reality, no good guy, after firing off rounds from his .45, 9 mm or .357 can expect the perp to hear him whispering “Do you feel lucky?”


23 posted on 01/22/2009 8:47:14 AM PST by ohioarmedneutrality (Never mess with a Quaker armed with a semi-automatic rifle.)
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To: TalonDJ

I recall a Russian revolver for which a suppressor might actually work. The cylinder eased forward and created a seal before the hammer fell.


24 posted on 01/22/2009 8:48:27 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: TalonDJ

“dual wielding”?

You mean, a weapon in each hand?


25 posted on 01/22/2009 8:51:57 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Petruchio

For anyone that watches Anime or even some movies, anytime someone points a gun at someone, draws, or in any way moves a gun (or sword) in a purposeful way there is always a *kaclink* sound of metal on metal. It does not matter if the movement was tiny. It is just like the dubbed in *wham*s everyone adds for fist fights.


26 posted on 01/22/2009 8:53:46 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Petruchio

How about the term “Saturday night special”? I assume this is a .38 with some sort of timer that allows it to be used only between the hours of 6 PM and midnight on Saturdays.


27 posted on 01/22/2009 8:54:02 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Lee'sGhost
You mean, a weapon in each hand?

Yes, in gaming parlance that is 'dual wielding'.
28 posted on 01/22/2009 8:55:34 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ; Petruchio
THE SILENCED REVOLVER

Can work if the cylinder gap is very tight. Of course then it would foul before long.

It will work on a Nagant M1895

29 posted on 01/22/2009 8:57:11 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Petruchio

The one gun gaffe I see abused the most is in Westerns where they use smokeless powder during their gunfights. Smokeless powder was not invented until 1884 and did not make it’s way out to the Wild West until the 1890s. The majority of westerns take place before the 1890s.


30 posted on 01/22/2009 8:57:43 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden (I)
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To: Fiji Hill

A Saturday Night Special plays disco music whenever you fire.


31 posted on 01/22/2009 8:58:30 AM PST by mnehring
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How about the ‘curve the bullet’ in Wanted?


32 posted on 01/22/2009 8:59:38 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
Broomhandle mausers like the one here, use clips.


33 posted on 01/22/2009 9:01:34 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Petruchio
So, over a long distance you want to have your crosshairs above the target.

Not if you are using a MilDot scope and
you know at what distanced it is zeroed.

Mine is zeroed at 300 yards,
I shoot below by 2 dots at 100 yards


34 posted on 01/22/2009 9:02:49 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: TalonDJ

Drizzt dual-wields. You telling me he’s not a pro?


35 posted on 01/22/2009 9:02:57 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Some Dan Wesson models had the ability adjust the forcing cone very close to the cylinder. Still loud even with a silencer.
36 posted on 01/22/2009 9:03:14 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: XeniaSt

Excellent! This is a great thread!


37 posted on 01/22/2009 9:03:18 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Petruchio

Taking off a revolvers “safety”.


38 posted on 01/22/2009 9:05:41 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: XeniaSt
Wonder if it will work on a Mateba?


39 posted on 01/22/2009 9:10:48 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Petruchio

ping,ping,ping and ping


40 posted on 01/22/2009 9:11:20 AM PST by STD (Time for Linebacker 3)
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