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To: js1138
I find it odd that conservatives find the methods of forensic science adequately trustworthy to convict and execute criminals, but doubt it when "the glove don't fit" their religious beliefs.

Gradations of confidence according to different methodologies, for different prospective goals.

Even within forensics, for example.

'Preponderance of the evidence' vs. 'beyond a reasonable doubt' vs. 'QED'

Cheers!

323 posted on 01/22/2009 9:09:41 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

[[Gradations of confidence according to different methodologies, for different prospective goals.]]

Forensics is equally accepted by Christians for both criminal cases and for science investigations- What Miller was asserting went WAY beyond forensic evidnece, and was nothign short of intelligently designing a ‘natural evolution’ for blood clotting- it was nothign more than a ‘just so’ story rife with if’s but’s and coulda’s. His opening ‘explanation’ demanded a duplication take place, AND that it be Damaged/altered in a very specific manner before hte process could even get started, THEN, he demands that a switch take place ensuring that the cell can turn on ‘at some future point’ in not the one singular organ it was intended to, but now, in two organs so as to facilitate further manipulations and mutations further down hte line in his wild scenario- that wasn’t science- that was spinning a fairy tale- plain and simple-

Miller defeated his own argument himself, apparenlty without even recognizing htat he had done so- He claims blood clotting coudl evolve naturally to a more complex system, then goes on to describe an intelligently DESIGNED network of circumstances that all must have happened in happy succession while cells were being controlled and manipulated to perform duties they were never coded to do.

I only read 1/3 through the story on his site, and already it proved to be so full of intelligently designed happenstances that one really has to wonder about Miller’s motives- for they certainly aren’t scientific- but more a religious dogma- Miller didn’t present forensic evidence- He simply presented a fun bedtime story for kids- which unfortunately, gets taught to our kids in school


324 posted on 01/22/2009 11:13:38 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: grey_whiskers
'Preponderance of the evidence' vs. 'beyond a reasonable doubt' vs. 'QED'

My thinking is that when the best qualified of the evolution critics -- the ones who get called to testify in court -- accept common descent and a multi-billion year old earth, that those two issues are settled.

And when you get behind all the techno-babble on these threads, those are the two issues that generate the most heat. All the arguments about irreducible complexity are just noise. We can never know if a specific mutation was "natural" or the result of intervention. We can, however, test the limits of theories of change, and that is exactly what evolutionary biologists do.

326 posted on 01/23/2009 8:10:57 AM PST by js1138
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