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The Spectator (UK) | 10/14/09 | Melanie Philips

Posted on 01/17/2009 9:12:50 AM PST by Maxstake

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To: Eye of Unk

Who will be Diocletian?


21 posted on 01/17/2009 12:59:03 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Maxstake; LucyT; stockpirate

That quote from Melanie Phillips belongs in a book of great American quotations. The unfortunate part is that Melanie Philips isn’t an American, she’s British.


22 posted on 01/17/2009 1:10:19 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Maxstake

Good post, but why in Chat?


23 posted on 01/17/2009 1:13:44 PM PST by aculeus
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To: LucyT
(fastening seat-belt)...:0(
24 posted on 01/17/2009 1:17:39 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Maxstake

His majesty and Biden are live on Fox in Baltimore complete with the loyal sheep crowd!


25 posted on 01/17/2009 1:22:20 PM PST by Colonel Jim
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To: Red6
Alexander Tyler knew it was inevitable based on history. He said:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence:

from bondage to spiritual faith
from spiritual faith to great courage
from courage to liberty
from liberty to abundance
from abundance to selfishness
from selfishness to complacency
from complacency to apathy
from apathy to dependency
from dependency back to bondage.

--Alexander Tyler

I'd say we're somewhere between apathy and dependency and headed straight for bondage. It's a sad day.

26 posted on 01/17/2009 1:47:10 PM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: Type Righter; LucyT; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; Iowan; BP2
I pray that the Kenyan never gets the chance...period. America is overpopulated with people who cannot think for themselves, who have been drinking the Left's Kool-Aid since the 70's, who falsely believe that a lie is the truth and the truth is a lie, who falsely believe that everyone South of the border can come here illegally because they and their families are "hungry" and have to other place to go, who insist that we who have done something with our lives must share our wealth with those who have done nothing but take, who still carp about taking land away from Native Americans while they take land away from natural-born Americans, who believe that Christians started the Crusades to take land away from Moslems and Jews created Zionism to take land away from Muslims, who think that all religons are the same and equally evil, who believe that America really is the Great Satan and that the big guy is always the perpetrator and the little guy the victim.

Liberal Media is now an oxymoron. "Freedom" is now defined as "Entitlements," "Affirmative Action," "Sexual Orientation," and the ability to limit the freedoms of others.

The truly crazy people see the truly sane as crazy, and the truly evil as "troubled.". Charles Manson had an unhappy childhood and he should be "pitied and understood" by the psychobabble of "There is good in everyone," and morality is moronic and outdated.

"God?" They don't need it. "Right from wrong?" by who's definition. "Hope?" "Change?" Oh yeah, the people who have been destroying this country "Hope" that it don't "Change."

When bad things happened to good people we used to say that "Sh*t happens!"

Thanks to Ailinsky, Obama, and Soros, we now say "Sh*t is managed!"

Folks it's SHTF time.

27 posted on 01/17/2009 1:48:48 PM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: wastoute

As a Texan, I would be only too happy to support secession. If Obama comes after our $5+billion surplus to pay for other states’ deficits, you can bet we’ll be looking into it. Some have said that Lincoln assured that no state has the right, but I wish we could get some constitutional expert (besides Obama) to look at every state’s right to secede. I thought I’d read a post here once that did that analysis. Anybody know where it was? I’m afraid Texas wouldn’t do it except under extraordinary circumstances, unless there were a movement nationwide from other states.


28 posted on 01/17/2009 1:56:56 PM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: Colonel Jim

I am refusing to watch any of this crowning.

Braveheart is on, and I have been watching that instead. It gives me a bit of hope that freedom will never truly die.


29 posted on 01/17/2009 1:57:55 PM PST by jacquej
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To: jacquej

God bless!


30 posted on 01/17/2009 2:02:11 PM PST by Colonel Jim
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To: erkyl
I grew up in New Mexico in the 60s and we used to understand that Texas joined the Union under the understanding that it was an “experiment” and if it didn't work out they could go their own way. The legend had it that it was in their Constitution and that was why to this day it is called the Republic of Texas whereas here it is called the Commonwealth of Virginia and New Mexico was just plain “state”. I doubt Zero would let it happen without a peep but Ft Hood is there and all those tanks would sort of inhibit the New Gay Army from screwing with Texas I would imagine. I would also imagine that most of the Active Duty would want to come over as well. There certainly is plenty of land out there.
31 posted on 01/17/2009 2:02:33 PM PST by wastoute
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To: wastoute; ExTexasRedhead; Yaelle; monkeyshine; sofaman; West Coast Conservative; goldstategop
Republic of Texas

California was also a republic before being admitted to the Union, and its flag says "Bear Republic." Unfortunately, there is not the slightest chance that today's California would go back to independent republic status. Regretfully so.

32 posted on 01/17/2009 3:22:52 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: wastoute
we used to understand that Texas joined the Union under the understanding that it was an “experiment” and if it didn't work out they could go their own way.

I really don't believe that this a legitimate option for Texas but one thing that is very odd is that Texas has its own electrical grid. All the other 47 contiguous states are connected together into only two grids.

33 posted on 01/17/2009 3:34:26 PM PST by wideminded
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To: LucyT
Part of the world is laughing at us...part is planning to take advantage...and another part has been in on this the whole time.

This MUST not happen!!!!

34 posted on 01/17/2009 4:49:38 PM PST by IrishPennant (Patriotism is strongest when accompanied by bad politics, loyal FRiends and great whiskey)
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To: Polarik

Thank you, Polarik

An excellent post. (Post #27)

Save America Ping.


35 posted on 01/17/2009 5:27:38 PM PST by Iowan
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To: wideminded

It’s not an oddity. There is purpose in it. How many states other than Texas do you know of that could be virtually self-sufficient?


36 posted on 01/18/2009 9:06:14 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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It’s not an oddity. There is purpose in it. How many states other than Texas do you know of that could be virtually self-sufficient?

As far as electricity goes, Hawaii and Alaska have their own electrical grids. Something tells me that Texas is not self-sufficient in all respects. For instance, even in electricity generation Texas uses more coal than it produces. No doubt most pieces of land of that size could be run in a fairly self-sufficient manner, especially if blessed with energy resources as much as Texas.

Interestingly, another area with frequent mumbling about secession also has it's own grid: Quebec.

37 posted on 01/18/2009 10:23:15 PM PST by wideminded
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